the housing minister, robertjenrick, says the rise in the number of covid—i9 cases is "concerning" andto follow the health guidance. there is a responsibility on younger people to notjust stay at home, obviously to go out and go to work, and enjoy pubs and restaurants, but do so in accordance with the guidelines. because, although they themselves may not become seriously unwell, they could pass it on to others. that is the message we are asking people to pay particular heed to at the moment. the leading microbiologist, professor paul hunter of the university of east anglia, sits on the government's advisory group, sage. hejoins us now. i don't, actually. i don't sit on sage. thank you for clarifying that, i apologise for getting it wrong. professor susan michie from the university of central london analyses people's behaviour and sits on the sage committee that advises government on reducing the spread of coronavirus. although i guess you are speaking independently to us this morning. first, paul hunter, what do you think of the messaging at the moment? i mean, it is very conflicted. c

let's speak now to the housing minister robertjenrick.ay that the virus is still with us. it is still concerning. we must still be concerned about it and be cautious and that means continuing to follow government guidance, those simple things in our daily lives like washing hands, wearing a mask and remaining apart from other people and if we do that then we should be able to continue to control the virus but we will have to be especially cautious as we go into the autumn and winter. in recent times we have been speaking to government ministers about returning to work and trying to get more people to go back to work, and we are talking recently about going back to school. do you feel that those breaks need to be applied? have we gone too far too soon? those breaks need to be applied? have we gone too far too 500mm those breaks need to be applied? have we gone too far too soon? it is important to do what you have described. get in children back to school is important and the vast majority of children have gone back to school. we also need

the housing minister — robertjenrick — says the rise in the number of covid—i9 cases is "concerning" follow the health guidance. there is a responsibility on younger people to notjust stay at home, obviously to go out and go to work, and enjoy pubs and restaurants, but do so in accordance with the guidelines. because, although they themselves may not become seriously unwell, they could pass it on to others. that is the message we are asking people to pay particular heed to at the moment. susan michie is a professor of health psychology and sits on the sage committee of scientific advisors. she says the government messaging is confusing. on the one hand, the message is business as usual, go out and about, go back to what you were doing before. on the other hand, they are being told to follow "guidance". the guidance has been coming out in bits and pieces, it has been changing, it is different in different nations. and a lot of people, especially young people, the data shows, have got very confused about what it is they are and aren't meant to be doing. in addition to that, there is an