white people are not the only white supremacists. some black people are white supremacists as well. host: texas, ben, good morning. caller: good morning. mr. bryant. guest: yes, sir. caller: i just wanted to bring to focus will we talk about these at apple police -- bad apple police, i'm reminded of about a week and a half ago, they had them on tv, a city in colorado. these three police officers stopped a black girl that was 17 and the other three, the oldest one of them was faucie now is dr. anthony joining the research america discussion on the latest science on the coronavirus pandemic. >> i'm glad to be here at have this opportunity to talk with dr. fauci.

white -- white mama -- black daddy -- what color baby? the point is, in three or four of those crosses, you get somebody who's black. for example, barack obama. is he black or white? black. but his mom's white. so how is he black? ally? >> because he's not white. yeah. i guess, like, if we're going to skin pigmentation i guess is like what it's getting at. >> yeah. okay. any other reasons? well, one of the things that hams in the 1660s is there's a law passed that says the condition of slavery, slave or free, is going to be a condition that's harriinheritable from yo mother. so it's whatever your mother is, that's what you are. and because there was so much more interracial contact, sexual congress rape and otherwise, between white planters and enslaved women, that the progeny produced is always going to be a slave. the other law that gets passed is that the condition of slavery is exclusive to those who were not baptized christians in their home country. not baptized christians in their home country. but since all of the, the indentured

>> free white males. >> say it again. >> free white males. they don't say males, but they say persons. free white persons. so if we look back into the 17th century and all of the racial discourse that, in many ways, this naturalization act culminates in, what we see is these two categories increasingly being constructed. so we have to ask if free white persons can become citizens of the nation, who can't? who can't become a citizen? we know who can, right? so what other types of people are? there matt. >> slaves. okay. so people who are not free who else? native americans. absolutely people who are not white, who else? women. women can become citizens but women have no voting rights. well? who is free who's not free? slave absolute slaves absolutely are not free but most white settlers the united states are going to be for how do they arrive under what condition. in addresser two. . most white settlers arrived under conditions of indenture where you essentially find your labor and say ok, in return for passage to the new world, i'm going to b

they say white mama, white daddy, white baby. black mama, baghdadi, black baby. black mama, why daddy, what color baby? black. i've lost track. white mama, black daddy, what color baby? the point is in three of four of those crosses, you get someone who's black. for example, brock obama. is he black or white? black. but his mom is white, so how is he black? >> because he's not white. i guess if we are going with skin pigmentation is what it's getting at. >> okay, any other reasons? one of the things that happens in the 16 sixties is there is a lot past that says that the condition of slavery, that slavery is a condition that is heritable from the mother. so it is whatever your mother is, that is what you are. and because there was so much more interracial contact, sexual congress, rape and otherwise, between white planters and enslaved women, that the progeny produced is always going to be a slave. the other law that gets past is that the condition of slavery is exclusive to those who were not baptized christians in their home country. not baptized christians in

in 2006 the fbi released and intelligence assessment warning of quote, white supremacists come white supremacist infiltration of law enforcement. the fbi identified to make distinct problems. first, the fbi noted the problem of white supremacy as groups infiltrating law enforcement. we've seen a lot of evidence of that in the 14 years since the fbi's assessment as officers across the country have been dismissed for active membership in the kkk and other similar groups. we will hear testimony -- also identified a second problem, law enforcement officers have no formal affiliation with racist groups, but who sympathize with the racist ideology. this, too, has been in plain view in this period a resurgent racist violence across america. in 2019 a team team of investigative journalist published the plainview project which collected over 5000 postings displaying white supremacists xenophobic and violent facebook material from police officers in eight different cities. we invited the fbi to come today. the bureau refused to, claiming it has nothing to say because they have no evidence that

like white extremist groups. this hearing is not about good officers versus bad officers, this hearing is about making sure we as a nation, acknowledge that white supremacy has no place in any police department. the idiom does not end with quote, a few bad apples. the saying is, a few bad apples spoiled a bunch. we cannot let white supremacy continue to spoil the bunch. instead, we should all condemn the behavior that chairman raskin described. i am honored to attend this hearing, it is shameful and absolutely shameful that the fbi chose to ignore the committees requests to attend. and instead disavowed their own terrifying findings, about the pervasiveness of white supremacy in police departments. i look forward to hearing from our witnesses, about their extremely important work. and i hope we remember the wise words of chairman cummings, that we are better than this. i yield back. >> madam chair thank you very much, i now want to introduce our witnesses. our first witness today, is going to be mr. german, then

it is important that the white house care because the white house can muster a whole of government response against a threat like this. the white house never did and as a result we have maimed cities that remind us how bad the threat got. charlottesville, el paso. we could go on down the list. those events happened in part because our government wasn't as focused as it should have been on the threat, wolf. >> yes. that is so disturbing. olivia, last night the president also said he did a great job responding to the coronavirus pandemic and that if biden had been in office he said 2 million people would have died. you worked there. you were on the coronavirus task force. you worked for vice president pence. should the american people believe that these more than 206,000 american deaths over these past seven months or so were inevitable? >> i mean, the president's comments last night were once again offensive to me. he is personally responsible for a lot of these deaths for the perpetuating of myths and lies he has told the american public, and his messaging. and to hear him try to campaign o

white and black. in that frothy mess, it was a political cartoon of the time of the globe just sitting in bed biting his nails and all these things were blowing around around a. said influenza was around the world. it was a real nerve-racking time. and all that, three pretty positive things for by african americans had to happen. but because they happen in this frothy chaos, they were focal points for anti black violence. soldiers being the most -- >> there's also another ingredient in this frothiness that you described and that is that over the course of the war, it started before, but it went from trickle to flood. that is, that african americans cast down their buckets and headed north. they follow the river and the rivers and railway lines to made them possible to vote with their feet as workers. so we get an actual departure of african americans from the south to northern industrial states to replace the workers who had gone off to war. >> the immigration it got off. >> but also it's important to

the white kids i grew up around in newjersey did not think of me as white and the black kids i grew up and the black kids i grew up around were as white and the black kids i grew up around were accustomed to accepting any manner of different skin tones and hair textures under the umbrella of blackness so my sense of self was rather complicated until the age of about 30 when i had moved to paris —— rather uncomplicated. i married a blonde hair, blue—eyed white french who resembled my mother in her physical characteristics, actually, in terms of blonde hair and blue eyes, and i realised if we were to have children, they very mel —— they very well may not physically present as black. thomas i will stop you because this is fascinating and i want to go through piece piece so if i take you back and rewind until you are a kid growing up in newjersey, i believe, you say that you could identify with the black kids around you in the neighbourhood but what you missed out on that story is what your parents actually told you, because you have your black father and white mother. what do they tell yo

it was like i had white privilege by asking this is how i felt that i was accepted it because i had white parents next to me but it all changed when i went to college and left the home and all the sudden i'm just a black person and i went to a predominantly black. college and university and so are predominantly white college and so people around are like i don't understand rate has this college where you hear that kind of thing even though that's what i grew up with and that's what i knew. we're getting some you tube comments in here one's from tiffany eunice this is nicole's book was amazing she articulated. she articulated things i've experienced as trans racial adoptee it was amazing so you're really speaking to people out there nicole i want to bring in a voice from our community this is in a yates and she's a foster mom is about to go through with a trans racial. and the foster parents to be empathic care from kona hawaii and in the middle of a controlled option. and a white that i stand i have felt horrible and killed in the fall before mary felt felt that i was reading another woma

evangelical christians who have been silent and as you say a lot of the white evangelical christiansow this from talking to people about the issue are afraid to speak up, is that the bottom line for you that you cannot be a good christian and stay silent? >> i think there is a mandate, the jesus of the spirit of the lord god is upon to preach to the brokenhearted and divide up the wounds of the brokenhearted, i don't think you can see someone bleeding and walk across the other side of the street and say you are christian like, having said that i do supervise or empathize with white christians who have tried to say something and really ended up sticking their foot in the mouth and encourage them to keep talking, there will be criticism, you're not going to get it right at first were having a very difficult conversation that several hundred years old and i would rather you break the silence and say something wrong then not say anything at all and act like you don't see the innocent killings of our people, that you don't see that we can't go jogging, that you do not see that were not sa

when it comes to the issue of white privilege in raising 2 black children as a white person it's complicated because right now when they're young they are protected kind of in a bubble of my way privileged when we go out and about together but i know that it will not always be this way especially as they get older and so we do a lot of talking about these issues we talk about racism in america we talk about the realities of being a black person in america how we teach them to be proud of who they are and to live fearlessly. and these things are hard to talk about and it's heartbreaking to expose them to the realities of these issues in this country and it's necessary because i'm hoping that what we're teaching them today will help them survive as they get older and on the back of that we have a comment from someone in our community kelly left on you tube right now as a white adoptive period how can i respond to the inappropriate questions in public like where she from or here touches such or to a fur my daughter. yeah. and so i find it so important that we center at doppies and that adoptive

he's at the white house? using his stanford credentials to try to shine up his reputation here and the president's bragging on that all the time i mean, so warned scott atlas' former colleagues from the medical school from which he's no longer affiliated with. and, by the way, he was radiologist, not somebody who actually worked on infectious diseases, before the white house plucked him from obscurity/fox news to bring him into the white house to run the response to an infectious disease epidemic, something on which he has zero expertise. so these things are coming together in the news right? caputo today is out as the trump guy, riding herd on the cdc, his so-called science adviser has been exposed by the academic institution he tried to associate him with meanwhile, the white house top covid doctor is also exposed by his former colleagues at the institution the white house has tried to associate him with, but this isn't a personnel story what this is about now, thanks to the president being unable to contai

fear and white anxiety. as in california. they became an increasingly diverse place. there there's no third world takeover. they begin to celebrate multiculturalism and realized the strength that it brings to the table. we will see that over the next few decades and generations with people who are going to be increasingly mixed. i do think we will see tribalism drive down nationally. the way in california. in california there is still a way of white nationalist movement. not sure it will ever go away. i'm optimistic that i'm not can it take over the country. one final question for me as you near the end. the pandemic has allowed them to do all sorts of things. on the immigration front. given what you know both about miller's thinking in maneuvering inside the white house. on how dhs has changed under miller's pressure. what sorts of things and give you concern what sorts of areas and immigration policy should the public be paying attention to. they are martin have on immigration policy. what should people be

his associates with white men and white tennis. jonathan: on ask about this. real revelation to me reading your book. his father seem to be have a major factor for stephen and his childhood to begin to shift the sense of identification and comes from a family of jewish refugees to identify with this white minority under siege. tell us about his father. he must've, he began telling of a moderate democrat who at the time, for personal reasons. conflict of person . series of lawsuits, with partners and family and that since of equipment, while very personal, ended up maybe for stephen, being that escape wagon to a broader sense of rage and anger. tell us about his father . speech of soap is data, this is when his father start to rail against the ridiculous liberal elites . missing him start to express conservative viewpoints what is real estate company is falling apart reading getting sued by his fought brother and former law firm. and unsuccessfully and having all of these bankruptcies that he was dealing with and being forced to move from a very affluent part o

if you're the white house counsel, there's no other white house counsel to call. it's just you and the president. i try to tell the story of somewhat that's like. i thought that is the most unique thing i could find in the trump era. >> i think what you have is the first of what will be many volumes of people telling authors what they were doing to save the country from president trump while they were working inside. that's what you heard from pretty much nixon operative who didn't go to prison. you would be hearing for decades later in washington what they were doing. some of them it's real. don mcgahn, we see in the mueller investigation exactly some of these things that you laid out and how he refused to go through with the firing of mueller. but this book is a remarkable, a remarkable account of life inside that white house, and this book has taken on its own life inside that white house today. michael schmidt, thank you very much for joining us tonight. we really appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >> thank you. >>> and when we come back, plouffe will joi

and patricia where white supremacy is no less of a threa threat. to confront that effectively we must understand it that is the focus of today's hearing. like to recognize the distinguished ranking member opening statement afterwards take the amount of time that you need. >> thank you mr. chairman as always you is gracious to make sure we have equal time i appreciate that. 's as you know, this is the fourth in the series of white supremacy we have had a number of good exchanges diving into the fax over the course of the previous three hearings as you remember i was moved and wanted to understand the situation of the virginia a graduate that hit close to home and talking to her mother who lost her daughter down home in charlottesville i used to go as a student to see these events unfold it was important to have that conversation i think it's a friend for us to have this conversation. i would note and the chairman knows for us to have a hearing on human trafficking there's 40 million people around the world and 20000 and the united states have law en

>> next on booktv's "after words" yale university professor edward ball looks at white white supremacy through the lens of his great, great grandfather, a live of the ku klux klan in louisiana following the civil war. .. how low, edward ball. it's a delight to meet you. >> good to see you, to. >> i feel like i know you from reading your book. i am going to dive in. you received -- from your aunt. tell the audience what it was. >> when i was a boy in new orleans in the late 1960s, i had an aunt named maude who was an elderly retired schoolteacher. she was a family historian and my mother's family. she was the keeper among others of our clansmen. she had some papers and files and she had a way of speaking about our family history that was like this. the one to remember is our clansmen, my grandfather. he was a redeemer. the redemption returned in new orleans after they had been dislodged. and if you had not battled liberty place, we would not be here today. when she died, her papers went to my mother. this is now decades later her files came to me. this is how i rediscovered the story of

slave owning whites. it was a predominantly non stable area. we talked about plantations. here we have johnson, he is a man who is a staunch unionist, he said i'm going to make treason odious. people think he's going to be hard on those southern sections. i will be your moses. lincoln never said that. right? i will be your moses, i will lead to freedom. the republicans had also taken a risk, but johnson was a huge disappointment. he was a staunch state right democrat. he was never really part of the republican party. but his state right democratic roots are very strong. and he is very reluctant to use federal policy or force, black rates certainly. or to have any federal part in reconstructing the south. what is interesting about johnson is he is a staunch racist. and this comes out during his reticence-y. he cannot even contemplate about black people as equals. he is southern, he is whites, he hates the pontiff office. the pro-southern why but it is like black people even more we look at the policies of

we've heard no such pronouncements from the white house. what the president has been doing almost every day in recent days now is holding these increasingly large, almost completely mask-free, no social distancing rallies, including this one that he's doing tonight right now in virginia. this crowd was gathered there for hours before the president got there. the president has just taken the stage within the last few minutes. health officials in virginia tried to stop this rally tonight because a gathering of thousands of people violates the ban in that state on large gatherings in order to try to prevent the spread of coronavirus. the campaign and the white house were totally defiant in the face of that state rule. a local director from the state health department in virginia wrote to the group hosting tonight's rally, pleading with them to cancel it for health reasons. quote, the make america great again event will draw thousands, estimates of up to 4,000 people into the city of newport news. an event of this size during the covid-19 pande

you as a former white supremacist skinheaead? it is crystal clear to me what president trump was calling for last night, and i think it is crystal clear to the proud boys what he was asking for. and that was for continued pressure, continued violence against what he is calling the threat of the left. in reality, there is no threat from the left because if we look historically, over the last 25 years and the n number you quot, far-right extremists are responsible for nearly 100% of the violence, 100% of the deaths, and 100% of the fear and rhetoric and propagaganda that s inducing this typepe of violenc. so he was completely wrong, but it was a clear-cut call to a violent white supremacist group that they must stay vigilant. if i were a proud boy, which essentially is version 2.0 of the neo-nazi skinhead, i wouldld see that as a called arms, specifically against anti-fascist groups and protesters like antifa and black lives matter. , in: test marc lamont hill light of the almost not only chaotic but p preview of what kd beauthorit

i become white. i do not want to become white. i want to grow up. and so should you. thank you. [applause] tom: with the death of malcolm x and dr. king, black america lost some black leaders. with the shift to politics in corporate america, is this a positive change in the right direction? mr. baldwin: i'm not sure what they mean by corporate america, and what that has to do with human freedom or democracy. a change in the right direction, i think the future is not as simple as americans would like to think. i am not convinced a machine will resolve many problems. we have to confront that but i think if we do not share the earth, we are going to blow it up. i think we have to rethink everything we think is true now, because it will not be true tomorrow. a future that is coherent and safe, but the moral choice we have yet to make does not guarantee anyone in this room has a future. the only way we can accommodate ourselves to that create our re-create our to vocabulary, which includes the human race.

white people are not the only white supremacists. some black people are white supremacists as well.exas, ben, good morning. caller: good morning. mr. bryant. guest: yes, sir. caller: i just wanted to bring to focus will we talk about these at apple police -- bad apple police, i'm reminded of about a week and a half ago, they had them on tv, a city in colorado. these three police officers stopped a black girl that was 17 and the other three, the oldest one of them was 60. they had them face ground on the hot concrete. , because ofese kids their license plates. they had the same number license ,late as a stolen motorcycle but the stolen motorcycle plate was from a different state. they put these kids face down on the hot ground. these officers, they found out that the vehicle they were looking for was a motorcycle, not a car, and that the license plates was from another state and not colorado. host: with that in mind, what you want our guests to address specifically? want to ask, you don't hear anything about that. host: if you wanted to respond to that. move: i love the way you your

white house the obama white house they just received the rulers last white house is. 'd screaming at everything it's the president's reelection 'd campaigns and they wouldn't why did america and we have a state department that are but it just us every our but our government turning what our president when it will campaign and i later found out shot list of serious violations and it says i don't live up to the american people both on and on a lot so i can't imagine what the mood is in the white house least the types of thief that i certainly wouldn't want to have been any more if. they were supporting president of the ways and i think it's very dangerous. you say that there are lies coming out of the white house yet the doctor found she who is the us is top public health official he he has said just yesterday that he does not think that there was any distortion in the communication about the pandemic from the white house task force or coming from the white house. you know you as an ethics expert what do you think dr felt she is is trying to do there. i have no idea why

equal to the white.the system would bind blacks to land, impoverished an educated and an organized in perpetuity. the loss of freedoms from whites also. white people might think differently would kept in line to make a crime to associate with any black person, on terms of equality. as a southern white reaction towards the fried flavor, that steadily and rapidly not unanimously propelled the nation toward equality. northern republican outrage over the black vote was typified by the chicago tribune. we tell the white man of mississippi demand of the north will convert the state of mississippi into a frog pond before they will allow any such was the disgraced one soul in which the bones of our soldiers sleep. as such southern action actually feel the northern response of intervention which southerners scorned. republicans in the midterm elections of 1866 major large gains. and then passed the civil rights act of 1866. began by declaring african americans be citizens of the united states. we can 66 act went

people who have worked at the white house say the white house medical office is so well equipped that white house medical staff can handle on site all but the most serious incidents without a president ever having to be rushed off campus from the white house to a hospital. but rushed he was that saturday afternoon in mid-november. what was that all about? well, tomorrow this book comes out. it's called "donald trump v. the united states: inside the struggle to stop a president." it's by two-time pulitzer prize-winning "new york times" report michael schmidt. and we get a little bit of a hint about what might have happened there on page 389. quote, either the constitution meant something and was worth defending, or it wasn't, pelosi contended. the senate would almost certainly not convict, but that wasn't the point. this was for the record and for history. the whistle-blower on the ukraine matter had accomplished what everyone before him had failed to do. he'd stopped president trump in his tracks and had him on the path to being impeached. two months later on a saturday afternoon in m

fbi has called them an extremist group with ties to white nationalism. what are you learning about how these people are responding to the president's words? >> they've been dreaming about this moment for years, since they started in 2016 basically. this is the best recruiting tool they could have ever asked for. they are saying that, by the way. they've made t-shirts that say "stand back and stand by." there was a video of their official account on a thing called telegram which is a messaging app where they literally howl like dogs at the screen in response to donald trump saying -- basically a recruiting call to them is how they viewed it. they are really into this. the dangerous part is recently, they've been lingering around the pacific northwest going to rallies, trying to start fights with people they believe to be antifa. they've sort of grown their packs with other militia movements, like the three percenters and patriot prayer. they're trying to expand their footprint there. the whole point is to make it look like the left is violent. they incite

that's the reporting, the white house denies it. here's what vice president pence -- >> almost president pence, it seems. >> here's what vice president pence said about it yesterday. >> i don't recall being told to be on standby. i was informed that the president had a doctor's appointment and, um, uh -- i must -- >> i don't want to -- >> yeah, i got to tell you. part of this job is you're always on standby, as you're vice president of the united states. >> sanjay, look, i don't want you to have to weigh in on the politics, but since that visit, you've looked at some videos, listened to some of the president's speeches to try to figure out if there was anything happening that they haven't v l revealed to us? what do you think, now, ten months later? >> first of all, i think if that issue was true, there was a reporting of drawing up papers for the 25th amendment, for the vice president, you know, that's significant. that's not happened many times in history, when reagan was shot, it happened. president george w. bush was under anest

they're not explicitly white supremacist. it's mostly white but not entirely. mostly working class but not entirely and a big part of it is self help. if they want to project a certain kind of masculinity. >> and what's the dynamic between an teefau and proud boys as we've seen them clashing in protelss across the country? >> reporter: pretty nuts. the proud boys want to intimidate antifa. that's why they dress the way they do and talk the way they do. and to a degree, it works. rumors would spread proud boys are coming. when they actually do clash, it can be explosive. a lot of times it's just one person who gets singled out and they'll be chased down a field. there's been one death, although that person was not a proud boy. when you're on the ground, it's very scary. >> and you really communicate that through your piece. thank dprz being with us. >> thank you. >> i wanted to bring in the cochair of black voices for trump. why did the president not condemn white supremacists? >> three times the president said he would condemn white supremacist. >> and then he

white supremacy is not dessert.n or a reality television star, anymore. he is president of the united states of america. every move he makes, watched and analyzed. every tweet, every speech, every comment matters because words do matter. his words matter. and it will be those words and those deeds that will, ultimately, be the true legacy of president donald j. trump. >>> the following is a cnn special report. >>> he's gone from a young politician with swagger. >> they said we think you should run for the senate. i said i'm not old enough. >> to a young father, suffering great loss. >> my brother looked at me and said she's dead, isn't she? >> he is an irishman with a life story that reads like a greek tragedy. >> how can you experience the worst thing imaginable, twice, in one lifetime? >> his career has been long, and often controversial. >> do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you god? >> i do. >> that now has a new twist. >> i think joe biden is a person who should

he tweeted that jesus was white.aused a big stir and a bigwere -- it caused stir and there were all of these portraits of people drawing brown jesus is antiblack jesus is. it is quite clear jesus was not a blue-eyed blonde and there has been a lot of columns about that. i am sure you have heard this. what do you think about >> do you think about his color? >> i don't think about jesus in terms of color. i think it's a juvenile statement to make one way or the other. as a christian, the fact that he died for us and shed his blood for us, it was not about his skin. it was about his blood. secondly, the bible is very clear about his background and judeahnicity and his stick background is quite clear according to scriptures. this american argument where we see everything in black and white and argue back and forth do it at thes we disregard of what the scriptures are very clear about. >> when you pray, you don't think of color when you pray to jesus? >> i don't think color matters. i don't think it matters if you have a

that's what we end from the white house -- the experts on the white house task force, right?tter than any vaccine to try to give people a sense of how they are. last night the president mocked the vice president for wearing a mask. i want to play that for you, dr. casey. here he is. >> i mean, i have a mask right here. i put a mask on, you know, when i think i need it. i don't wear a mask like him. every time you see him, he's got a mask. he could be speaking 200 feet away and showed up with the biggest mask i've ever seen. >> doctor, i don't want to be political about it. i just want to ask you about the masks. when people mock masks, what do -- how does that make you feel when you know they save lives? >> as a physician who's dedicated his life to caring for others, that makes me angry because we have very few tools in our tool box right now to handle this pandemic. and the mask, in my opinion, and the opinion of a lot of other physicians, is the single most important thing we can do to stem the tide of this pandemic. those of us who work in a hospital setting are a testame

people is due to white supremacy white supremacy also description but also a way that i could just finish my statement to that end yes there might be more white people in power verty in number but per capita based on the percentage of the of this country of their population per capita there are more poor black people than white people so get your facts straight and then whatever yeah he wants to blame the liberal it for that also i could finish my point is that you reference affirmative action what we know is that the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action are in fact white women so i think that like this is why mr rivera is actually demonstrating and been a katie exactly why we do. critical race theory to get rid of this ignorance which of course contributes to the spread and increase of white supremacy let me make a point here 1st off the reason that communities of color and this includes hispanic people myself you know i grew up in the inner city and predominately black that's a great and noble cause and it doesn't mean that you're not whites or i nor let me let me go ahead is not

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conversation centers white people, white people history, finances, labor stats. you just talk but the unemployment high light inequality amid a global pandemic, and really when we hear labor stats they frequently reflect white america's lane juror stated. when you look at black american labor sites they're very much higher but you don't hear that in the media. also, in this political coverage moment, you always heard terms like, nascar dads and soccer moms, these cute little nick names for voters that exclusive live apply to white voters, but black voter a aggregate in the same way, college edded men or women. the same thing to black voters but you don't hear that. when you hear people or see on broadcast news people to diners, where apparently no black or brown people ever eat but they're the voters of the heartland and meant to represent the political landscape and that's bs because if you go to birmingham a to a golden coral after baptist church lets out those are the heartland. you go to ohio, those are voters from the heartland but you decent see that. one e

white house agenda red what is taking place t how decisions are made. and, you know, i tnk one of the big misconceptions about the press secretary at a lot of people have outside of the building is that the only time the press secretary and the press interact is at the briefing, which is not true at all. thousands of reporters had my cellphone number, my e-mail, and access to my office. and so there was a constant mmunication between the press office anthe press itself. >> you write in the acknowledgments section of your book, quote... who are the "real journalists"?h >> i would nam off, but i'm afraid i would probably ruin their carrs. but i think the characteristics of a real journalist are -- and there were many in the white house, and i tried to make that point throughout thbook that there were several peopleor that id extremely well with. i didn't always agree with them. esn't mean i liked their stories. a lot of times, i didn't. but they were fact-finding, and fact-focused journalists. injecting their own opinions into their news stories, but they

worried about losing the debt because it's unclear how the government's plans to compensate local white farmers who lost yes are still losing and our correspondent in harare told us what's at stake for the country's. production it the exporting farmers the like this one in the northern part of zimbabwe it could pick up if the government careful to mend relations with former wife with michelle farmer or lost their lives in that they need to go to 3 years. also coming up on the program. a military or civilian all maybe a technocrat millions of still beats who'll need that transitional team after yet another cool but can do transition to a stable civilian group. i add you mike a junior your welcome to the program we start off in zimbabwe where i'm citing is growing among blacks they are worried about losing land that was on the catered to them by former presidents mugabi during his last before or during that time thousands of white farmers were forced lads in an effort to redress colonial era. fast forward to earlier this year zimbabwean governments are now as there will be $3500000000.00

of white supremacists? why is that so difficult for this president? >> it's not difficult and he has done it many, many times. at a certain point the media has to accept yes for an answer, jake. >> he didn't do it today. >> yes, he did. he said i denounce all of that. how much more clear do you want him to be? >> all of what? >> you are one of the few who pointed out. i'm trying to give you credit here, jake. you are one of the few who pointed out the fallacy of what happened in charlottesville. he denounced white supremacists, he denounced the kkk. just last friday cnn didn't send a crew to atlanta for the president's event, but the president said he is declaring the kkk a terrorist organization. >> why now? >> joe biden had 47 years to do it and he never did it. >> president trump has been since -- >> right, less than four years compared to 47, jake. less than four years compared to 47. >> tim, can you say the words i condemn white supremacists? are you able to say that? >> sure. and the president did it.

in fact they're killed less than white americans are per encounter.the attention of the police in america and they draw their guns on you, your chances of being shot appear to be slightly higher if you're white, at the moment. and that breaks everyone's expectations. but, hang on, this is fascinating because it gets to the heart of your intellectual approach to lots of things. you are, i think, a self—proclaimed rationalist and say you are determined to be driven by the evidence, by the data, by science and not by emotion and still less by things like religion or any other faith—based belief system. so evidence does matter. but if you look across the piece, you have alighted on one piece of evidence but surely there's an overwhelming tract of evidence about incarceration rates, what happens to black kids in school, what happens to black people in employment, how many jobless black people there are. there is clearly a story in america of systemic discrimination which black people are saying, right now, they will no longer tolerate without expressing th

true for white women.rticipation in that denigration is there need to define themselves as opposite of black womanhood, which we could have a whole mother talk about that. those are my questions, i think all the time we have for questions from the audience. is there anything else besides, pick up this book, please buy the book, is there anything else you would like to add before we close out tonight? >> i think i just want to say thank you to you very much for being here with me and for the conversation, taking us to the history, helping us think hard about what that history means for our present and immediate future because it is on the horizon. the women i wrote about or write about would tell you Ãb i think that's for me the best way to honor them in that season. i just want to say thanks to harvard bookstore for hosting us tonight. thank you so much nicole. >> thank you for your work and we will let them close it out. >> thank you both so much. this is really a wonderful conversation so thank you to al

he thinks he could unite white northerns with white southerners on race. he said black rights and they mean social equality, would your daughter marry a black man, this is where it begins. he demeans himself and so crude that people in the crowd start shouting back at him and he engages them. sometimes he is hooted out of town and because northern public opinion is not being swayed by playing the race card. things that had worked were not working at this time. yeah. this is a swing around the circle in case you are thinking. he did a swing around the circle in the north which is a complete disaster. yeah. >> so i'm hearing this and i'm thinking about what you said about stevens and all of the other confederates entering congress and i'm thinking about sumner kane a few years prior, was there any strong reaction by the republicans in congress against these confederates rejoining the government? >> very good question. because, in fact, when the johnsons' representatives show, congress does not admit them. they realize now that these governments with the blac

and a white woman -- we don't know exactly what happened, but a white woman was walking down the street and was jostled by two african american men walking the other way. we know that happened. >> right. >> but that became -- did you hear about two men raping a white woman. that leads to mayhem. >> so in 1921 a couple years later in the worst of all race riots in american history, the tulsa race riot of 1921, it all begins with people bumping into each other in an elevator. these small spaces where, again, the complicated relationship across race, racial lines and across gender lines become aggravated or amplified. of course, 1919 also reminds us that violence moves on rumor. violence moves on rumor. so it is so often the case that we hear that this happened and that didn't happen and before you know it, no one even remembers why we're fighting in the fist place. so kind of like a middle school brawl. right? >> and as a reporter today, i can't tell you how constant a problem that remains in terms of trying terms of trying to deal with whether or not something is true, if something happe

white supremacy and white supremacists. it is stunning. now let's get back to the group mentioned during the debate, the proud boys. they have been involved in what one judge called a brawl in manhattan and several pled guilty to attempted assault during a riot. this is video of what happened. those are, you know, allegedly members of anti-fascist and now you see the guys in the red hats coming and pummeling them. several people from the proud boys were guilty or pled guilty. what the president said about the proud boys basically was an absolute gift to them. he -- what it sounded like made it a rallying cry for them. saying to stand back and stand by. and so what you see reflected in social media, you don't have to believe me. just go look at what the proud boys were saying on social media. let's pull one of those up. this is one of the reactions minutes after the president started to talk about this. yes, sir, proud boys standing by. knowing they have been involved in what one judge called political violence. it gives you this idea that