our gary tuchman is at the president's rally. he joins us now. gary, what did you hear tonight from the supporters at the rally? >> anderson, macho man by the village people is playing right now as the rally just came to an end. donald trump spoke for about an hour. now, if you thought that people would be more careful in trump rallies, after hearing that donald trump had the coronavirus. and that there was a superspreading event at the white house, you would be incorrect. hundreds and hundreds of people lined up outside in the broiling sun for hours here today in sanford, florida. there was no social distancing and i would say about 90% of people did not have masks. everyone had their temperature checked. they were given hand sanitizer. and they were also given masks but there was no mandate to wear them. and most of those masks were put in pockets or put in purses, never to come out again. we talked to a lot of people who decided not to wear masks, and we heard various explanations. >> what happened at the white house, recently, where so many pe

anderson. >> gary tuchman, gary, thanks very much.erspective now from "new york times" technology columnist kevin russe. so, kevin, president could have easily disavowed qanon. he -- he chose the most, kind of, ridiculous tact of all which is i just don't know anything about it, which is what he always says about michael cohen. i don't know who he is. wear we're not close at all. the reason he is not saying he disavows it is because he knows that qanon supports him. he is at the core of their fantasy, that he is, single-handedly, battling the deep state and this global cabal. did it surprise you, last night, at all? did anything he said last night surprise you? >> no, it didn't surprise me because one thing we know about this president is that he is extremely reluctant to criticize anyone who likes him. we've seen that with, you know, authoritarians. we have seen that with white supremacists and other fringe groups. and we have seen that, now, several times with qanon. this is not the first time he has been presented with the opportun

gary tuchman, cnn, davidson, north carolina. >> what a fascinating piece by gary.reporting. so ahead for us, there are republicans that are pointing to one particular moment in the debate last night that they think could hurt joe biden in certain states. we will tell you what that is next. you navigate what comes next. at university of phoenix, relevant life experience and eligible transfer credits can help you earn your degree faster and for less. see how much you can save at phoenix.edu. thanks okay, ready for the next one? let's see... prop 19, tax limits for seniors and disabled homeowners. oh, yeah. -hi honey! -hey dad! oh wait... make sure you vote 'yes' on prop 19, okay? why's that? well, it saves you money. you guys can sell the house and move to a smaller place near us with no tax increases. plus, you'd be really close to your doctor. boy, that sounds good. so vote 'yes' prop 19. love you guys, bye. traffic and air pollution will be even worse after the pandemic. that's why we support measure rr to keep caltrain running. which is at risk of shutdown becaus

gary tuchman, cnn, davidson, north carolina. >> you know, i love watching these things. love watching them, conducting them, i learn something every time. we weren't pumping in the cricket noise there, there really was cricket noise when asking how many people would vote for president trump, and it was fascinating to hear that those moments that joe biden seized on about your family around the dinner table that they do resonate with real voters. >> i was surprised by the uniformity in the perception that those voters had. i really was. if you follow the punditry online and post debate on all the new stations, you wouldn't get the impression that joe biden won as clear of a victory as he did with the undecided voters last night, which is why it was so interesting, what they said, so interesting what broke through to them, really. appreciate gary's work on that. so president trump offered a new explanation for why he paid so little in taxes. we have a fact check on that. next. we live in uncertain times. however, there is one thing you can be certain of. the men and woman

but, gary tuchman, our gary tuchman went to one of these rallies and talked to people about just explain to me why you're not wearing a mask. and it was pretty revealing. i think we have that. listen. >> a mask can honestly do more harm than good to individuals. >> it can do more harm? >> it can. because people can faint because there's too much carbon dioxide in their. >> you think people are fainting all over the country from masks and people dropping dead? >> just enough. enough people are getting ill because they're wearing a mask. so, yeah. >> where'd that come from? >> common sense. >> we've also seen the numbers drop every single day. >> the numbers are going up now, though. >> here. >> mr. trump says it's disappearing, but it's not. that's not the zbluth itrith. >> i'm debating on what the truth is for that. all the numbers i've read have been down and the flu is taking more people. >> that's what you believe? >> yes. >> let me ask you this. if president trump at the rally said everyone put on their masks. >> i would put it on. >> okay, let's just -- let me just remind what she j

gary tuchman is on the scene with them in davidson, north carolina. ome you to the beautiful campus of davidson college in davidson, north carolina, just north of charlotte. and we are with 11 north carolina voters. we're socially distance. we're wearing masks. we're outdoors, but it's a great night to be outdoors. perfect weather to watch an outdoor debate. what all these people have in common is none of them have early voted because none of them know positively who they're going to vote for. this is a critical state, as you said, wolf, especially for a republican. donald trump won it four years ago, but right now the polls show it's very tight. that joe biden has a slight lead. and this is an important state for a republican to win. in the last half century, only two democrats have one here. in the bicentennial year of 1976, jimmy carter won, and in 2008 in when he first ran for president, barack obama won. the question you're probably asking right now, i'm sure you're asking this question is, how can't these people know who they're voting for just y

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gary tuchman spoke with some trump supporters before the rally and they seemed to be on the same pageump. >> you saw what happened at the white house recently where so many people were outside at an event got coronavirus including the president. that doesn't concern you? >> no. >> why doesn't it concern you? >> i'm healthy. i have no underlying health issues. that seems to be the people that are most prone to getting the disease. if you have an underlying -- >> he was healthy too and had to take a helicopter to the hospital. he had good medical care right? do you have care that good? >> no but i take care of myself. >> reporter: why not just put on a mask? what is the difference? >> a mask can actually do more harm than good to individuals because people can faint because there is too much carbon monoxide going back into their system. >> reporter: is that a big problem people fainting all over the country from masks and dropping dead? >> well, just into uff people are getting ill because they're wearing a mask. >> reporter: really. >> yeah. >> reporter: where did that come from? >> co

cnn's gary tuchman asked some of them at a trump rally in georgia. >> you have the qanon shirt and onee things qanon believes of, there's a conspiracy theory of satanic pedophilia. do you believe in that? >> yes. >> trump has not criticized qanon. you believe in theories like this? >> yes, sir, 100%. >> you believe he has your back by not criticizing it? >> yeah, i really do. yes. >> do you think he should denounce qanon? >> no. >> why not? >> they believe in crazy stuff. pedophile ring. >> you make us believe crazy stuff. >> do you believe the democrats and celebrities in a pedophile ring? >> i do. >> where did that come from, that belief? >> where did that come from? ask the little kids. >> pedophilia is terrible, but to say hillary clinton and democrats, there's no evidence of that. >> let me ask you, who do you work for, abc or cnn? >> cnn. >> no, i'm not talking to you then. >> crazy, it's ludicrous. wouldn't say it's wrong. >> no, it didn't because i think he wants to put everything out there so you can judge for yourself. i heard it before. >> you heard it, with all due respect,

cnn's gary tuchman is standing by at the only early voting location in cuyahoga county.s, we've talked about texas, we've talked about others, where and how are you seeing it in the state of ohio? >> reporter: that's right, jim. hundreds of voters surrounding this building despite the fact it's cold, blustery and has been raining. this is a battleground state, the polls show the presidential race is too close to call and it's also the ultimate bellwether state. ohio has picked the winning presidential candidate for six decades straight, the last time it missed was 1960 when ohioans picked nixon over kennedy. ohio has only missed twice n 1960 and 1944 when ohio picked thomas dewy over fdr. there is lots of days to early vote here, today, tomorrow, sunday, monday, lots of hours, but only one location in each county. in vinton county, the most lightly populated county, 13,000 people, there's one location. in cuyahoga county, 1.2 million people, also one location and it makes it very difficult for a lot of people. how far did you come to get here today? >> we just live right

. >> our very own gary tuchman talked to trump supporters at the president's rally in florida tonight want to wear a mask. what you saw was not an isolated incident there, right? >> no. we asked people why they weren't wearing masks and most people had masks on them. i'm used to going out and oftentimes much like conservatives will carry the constitution in the pocket so they can shame a liberal, i feel like that has been replaced by a mask to shame a liberal. most people weren't wearing them but were aware they should have them. i think that actually struck me. i was sort of expecting the narrative of a month and a half ago where this was a hoax or nothing to be aware of. it was as bad as the flu. it seems people understood we should have masks which is why it is so infuriating because if donald trump set that example and did everything against what he has done up until this point there could be a real effect. people have the mask is. they are in their pockets waiting for somebody to tell them put it on you don't look stupid. see if you can save 80,000 lives over the next six months

. >> you know what's interesting, we saw it show up in a focus group last night that gary tuchman did with undecided voters in north carolina. and the man you're about to hear from pointed this moment out, out of the blue. gary didn't bring it up. this guy brought it up. and this is someone who voted for donald trump in 2016. listen to how this undecided voter going into the debate saw that very moment that maggie is talking about. >> trump responded with some mockery of that. and i think for me, politics are about relationships and people and this is all about the american family. so that was quite revealing and disturbing for me to hear. >> i was struck by that, kaitlan, gary's focus group, hearing people watch the debate. i think people watched these debates differently than reporters often do. and different things strike them in different ways. what did you see here there? >> yeah, and i think the president has always had trouble striking this empathetic tone. and you saw it the way he was talking about coronavirus last night. you know, right off the bat. and i think that was one

after the debate found that joe biden won decisively by 14 points and a focus group we did with gary tuchman found that nine of the people who watched thought -- it was seven who watched thought joe biden won, two thought it was a tie. no one said that donald trump won. and one of the moments that was pointed out and that has to do with one of the issues that seems to matter to the voters we're talking about, which is empathy. who feels what we're going through more. and there was this exchange that i'm going to play for you where joe biden tried to connect, as he has done, with the viewers directly on the issue of the economic pain they're feeling with the pandemic and what not. donald trump dismissed it. we're going to play that and i'll play for you what one of the people hour focus group thought of that moment, governor mcauliffe. liste listen. >> trump responded with some mockery of that. and i think for me, politics are about relationships and people. and this is all about the american family. so that was quite revealing and disturbing for me to hear. >> you're sitting at the kitchen t

gary tuchman is with them in davidson, north carolina, right now. so, gary, the undecide the voters, i take it, had a strong reaction to this discussion about kstz kz. coronavirus. let me throw this bite. >> reporter: that's right, wolf, we're at -- >> listen to this. >> and i don't look at this in terms of the way he does. blue states and red states. they're all the united states. and look at the states that are having such a spike in the coronavirus. they're the red states. they're the states in the midwest. the states in the upper midwest. that's where the spike is occurring significantly. but they're all americans. they're all americans and what we have to do is say, wear these masks. number one. >> we can't keep this country closed. this is a massive country with a massive economy. people are losing their jobs. they're committing suicide. there's depression, alcohol, drugs, at a level that nobody's ever seen before. there's abuse. tremendous abuse. we have to open our country. >> so tell us, gary, why that did resonate with the undecided voters

. >> our gary tuchman was at a trump rally, the other day. and asked somebody who is not wearing a mask and said she doesn't believe in masks. he asked her if the president said you should wear a mask. she, instantly, without him even finishing the question said, oh, i'd wear a mask. it would be that easy for this president to save tens of thousands of lives. to raise the number of people in this country wearing a mask. dr. frieden, i appreciate it. dr. gupta, sanjay, thank you very much. next, more on the breaking news from the supreme court that jim acosta mentioned, involving the swing state of pennsylvania. more, as well, on the debate commission's decision just announced on microphones and interruptions. >>> and later, just days after the alleged plot to kidnap michigan's governor, the president is basking in calls from his supporters to lock her up. we will talk about it with michigan's attorney general. before we talk about tax-smart investing, what's new? -well, audrey's expecting... -twins! grandparents! we want to put money aside fo

not only that, it might even be a fairly easy political lift for the president, as our gary tuchman discovered at a trump rally just on monday. >> let me ask you this, if president trump at the rally said everyone put on their masks? >> i'd put it on. >> sure, trump asks, i'd do it. all he has to do is ask, she said. imagine how different our world would be tonight and how different it would be in the months ahead if he would do just that. perspective now from best-selling author and "new york times" columnist, global affairs analyst, thomas freedman. so many best-selling books included his classic "from beirut to jerusalem." the last time we spoke, trump had just been flown to walter reed to receive treatment. at the time you prayed he would get well and also reflect on this and say he's sorry. that obviously didn't happen. but could you ever imagine that he would still and so quickly be out there doing daily potentially superspreading rallies, bringing thousands of people together, not wearing masks or social distancing? >> well, it's just such an abdication of leadership, anderson, as chris

the view from ohio, we'll go to gary tuchman. >> reporter: thank you very much.ly voting here in the state of ohio. this is cuyahoga county, home of cleveland, where there are hundreds of people in line. the wait is over two hours to get in and vote inside the building here. this is the 22nd day of early voting in the state of ohio. tomorrow will be 23, and then monday early voting is open and that will be day 24. lots of days to vote but not lots of locations. that's because under ohio law, you're only allowed one location in each of the 88 counties. so there's lots of activities, very busy at each of these locations. you have a long line here to my left, and this is a drive-through area where cars drive up, they stop and they give their ballot to an election worker and they drop it off here in the box. polls show the race here in the state of ohio is too close to call and that is one of the reasons why michael blumberg, former democratic presidential candidate, has decided to spend millions of dollars for commercial ads for joe biden through a super pac here in

thank you very much, gary tuchman for that. the former republican governor of ohio, john kasich. he's now supporting joe biden in this election. governor kasich, thank you so much for joining us. so, what do you think? you know your state about as well as anyone. what's happening? >> yeah, well, he said it, wolf. it's too close to call. and again, i always think about ohio as a hockey stick. you know, the western part of the state is very strong republican. the southern part of the state is also very strong republican. but then it's the middle that is going to matter so much. and what's interesting is what he had to say out of cleveland. the real question is it's all about turnout. and as we started this segment, you were talking about barack obama being in detroit. i think that we're going to look back on this, and i think you're going to see that barack obama had a major influence in this election. he's really working hard in terms of african-american turnout, and so it's interesting. what are we seeing in cleveland? are we s