jennifer palmieri, why did this debate end up looking like it had the impact it had on joe biden? i mean, he -- he's clearly got a bump. >> well, i think that -- i mean, trump was just so unappealing. and i don't think that donald trump went into that debate thinking, i'm going to be disruptive and chaotic and interrupt biden constantly because that's going to help me. i think he just wanted to try to get in the way of biden being able to deliver a clear message. i mean, biden took opportunities when he had them to speak directly to the camera. you know, one woman in the focus group said that that was important to her. and i know he was able to get some good points off, but i think that trump understood, that debate was to give biden an opportunity to make points that he's, you know, why the debates favor the democrats, i think, when you're up against trump is because it's so hard to control the narrative outside the debate, right? so it gives you a shot to do that. so biden -- i mean, i think people hated to see the chaos and the disruption that trump did, so biden got a bump out

second turntable is maya harris, scarce in one of her closest advisers christine pelosi and jennifer palmieri witowski medications schieffer president obama a top adviser to hillary clinton in 2016. you can follow the conversation twitter user the #-- and i will try to get to a few audience questions before we end this roundtable. now before we get started we have a special video we are going to show a short video with elizabeth hull writes a world podcast as part of her video podcasts and women in debating and then come back on the other side. >> there've been so many unprecedented curveballs in the selection he can be hard to keep up but one thing remains constant. >> you know why, people don't like her. nobody likes her. >> i did not mention his name. well i'm here, he's not. senator kamala harris is up against the long-standing texas girded that women in politics face which got us thinking how the obstacles that women face as politicians translate to the debate? ♪ kamala harris and mike pence are about to face each and the first vice presidential debate and their difference in styles have

are pointing to this hot mike moment from a 2016 interview with hillary clinton's director, jennifer palmierih this. >> go right to kristin, kristin go ahead. >> okay, okay. i'm going to ask you about flint. >> go ahead, you are life. >> laura: so she was saying what she was going to ask. >> i don't know if that's indicative of bias, but the whole picture is not an attractive one when you take it altogether. >> laura: i think it's really rude that that issue of donations is never brought up. that would never be brought up if the shoe were on the other foot. never. oh come on. another topic that can't be discussed. raymond, thanks so much. congrats on the book. still ahead, if you thought racial segregation was dead, think again. we discussed how racial retribution is now affecting our society from higher education to government seminars. chris rufo shares the latest documents he just got his hands on. next. ♪ substitute teaching. i honestly feel that that's my calling-- to give back to younger people. i think most adults will start realizing that they don't recall things as quickly as they us