say oh, these are from john lum, all good? the d.b.i. and planning department should be neutral and not give deference to the particular architect here. they should have independently verify his calculations, like i did. that includes glancing at plant plans that have been -- glancing at plans that have been verified, like i did. without -- without proving that this project would not amount to a demolition, which is clearly appears to be, the subject permit is defective, and a demolition and a conditional use permit should be required. the prince architect for the planning department david winslow asked, how is this not a demolition? this question remained open and unanswered. thank you. accordingly, the subject permit should be revoked. thank you. >> clerk: thank you, mr. pincow. okay. we will hear from mr. kenneth hillan. you have seven minutes. >> okay, yeah, and i'll try and have to share my screens. good evening, members of the board. my name is kenneth hillan, and i'm speaking on behalf of myself and my husband, duncan robinson. as