century, he combinds a portfolio of a karl rove and henry kissinge he ran five presidential cam plains, was the secretary of state when the cold war ended. i think for peter i, it was really an opportunity to write a big book about washington from the end of watergate to the end of the cold war and how differenit is from today and the gridlock and dyunction, very different from a time when baker was famous for getting things done. >> woodruff: peter, i think of the phrase born with a silver spoon in his mouth. jim baker came from a prominent wealthy family in houston, texas, successful lawyer, made the jump to government and potics, found out he was very good at it. what was the secret? what was his secret? why was he so good at it? >> at the time, basically, there was an opening for people who wanted to make deals and jim baker is somebody who did that. i couldn't imagine him allowing a covid relief bill we've seen languishing for months go unpass ford so long. if he were here in his moment like his moment, there would have been a deal by now. i think he felt like he understoodwhat the person on the other side of the table needed. he had to give somethi