host: tal kopan. the way she tells the story is that she realized the number one convectors of outcomes for young members of society is how much they were in school. so to try to get them and be school more often, she established a program of truancy where there were consequent is for parents. on the one hand, -- there were consequences for parents. more kids were in school but there is that criticism now you just mentioned. committal orial civil penalties on parents -- but potential criminal or civil penalties on parents. say it was revolutionary to think about fighting crimes by going to the dropout rate and the truancy rate. then you have this other question of where you over criminalizing something else in the process? it is one of those moments in her record that is there to look at. you mentioned her multiethnic background. i was writing a story on her a few months ago ahead of the police reform discussion and talking to a woman in oakland was also multiracial who grew up in the bay area where k

host: tal kopan, your thoughts on that? guest: when joe biden -- [indiscernible] in a morea lot of -- private circles about who he should pick. one of the strong sentiments was that he would pick a woman, a woman of color and he needed someone younger than him which was one of the reasons i heard folks say elizabeth warren wasn't a great idea. energetic and vigorous she was as a campaigner she is closer to joe biden's , age. when you mention harris's energy, i think that is what the biden campaign once you to see, and her as the next generation of democratic politics coming up with joe biden as he they hope, he ascends to the presidency. host: harris was for medicare for all before she was against it. how does she reconcile these opposing positions? guest: as much as we mentioned the tulsi gabbard moment, you ofld argue that that sort flip-flopping or continuous clarification on medicare for all was the hardest moment for her in the presidential campaign. she fully embraced it and then put out her own plan that she said was

host: tal kopan.ay she tells the story is that she realized the number one convectors of outcomes for young members of society is how much they were in school. so to try to get them and be school more often, she established a program of truancy where there were consequent is for parents. on the one hand, -- there were consequences for parents. more kids were in school but there is that criticism now you just mentioned. committal orial civil penalties on parents -- but potential criminal or civil penalties on parents. say it was revolutionary to think about fighting crimes by going to the dropout rate and the truancy rate. then you have this other question of where you over criminalizing something else in the process? it is one of those moments in her record that is there to look at. you mentioned her multiethnic background. i was writing a story on her a few months ago ahead of the police reform discussion and talking to a woman in oakland was also multiracial who grew up in the bay area where kamala