a famous local pastor by the name of thomas robb. >> if i can have a civil dialogue with thomas robb, that's what i'm definitely going to do. >> reporter: 74-year-old thomas robb is the pastor of the christian revival center just outside harrison. he's better known as the national director of the ku klux klan. he took over the job after david duke left the position in the 1980s and is seen here in an interview with sky news three years ago. >> this here is our office. and we do clerical work here, membership applications. >> reporter: robb isn't just any racist, he's the most grand dragon of racists, who longer wears a hood and likes to sound as he's making sense, as he did in this interview with "the kansas city star." >> blacks by their nature probably prefer being around other blacks. because they can relate to them. there's always going to be some that's going to want to go hang out with the white group. but by whole, people prefer being around their own kind, and nothing wrong with that. it's real. it's natural. >> it sounds like what you guys are doing is saying to people, come