reagan and william f. buckley, did they ever have any difference of opinion as far as conservatism or they were pretty much in accord? and with that i thank you for taking my question. >> thank you. >> william f. buckley was shut out of the goldwater campaign. late in 1963 by a power play by a fellow by the name of bill barude. he was the head of the american enterprise institute. it was power politics. he leaked the story that bill buckley was trying to take over the campaign. william f. buckley on several different occasions said he didn't think barry goldwater would make a good president. that he wasn't ready to be president, that he wasn't smart enough to be president. that -- in our now, ronald reagan's relationship to william f. buckley is fascinating, complicated, they went to logger heads on a lot of major issues. for example, the panama canal, they had famous debate in which william f. buckley argued the panama canal treaty of the late '70s was a good thing. ronald reagan had basically run his 1976 campai

>> you know, this program, "firing line," was originally hosted by william f. buckley jr., and in 1972, a year before roe v. wade was decided, william f. buckley jr. hosted a conversation about the legality of abortion with two lawyers -- one in favor of its legalization and the other against it. they were discussing an important abortion case that was possibly headed to the supreme court, the so-called byrn case, and the subject of religion came up. let's take a listen. amy coney barrett is catholic. is it fair to ask whether a person's religious beliefs might affect their judicial rulings? >> the rule that i have described several times in the judiciary committee is what i call the robing room rule. as a general matter, i think somebody's religion is not a grounds for voting to confirm or not confirm them as a judge. it's just kind of not fair play. and with our history of religious pertion, particularly of catholics, it's particularly important, i think, that we honor that. but things change when the judge puts on the robe in the robing room and steps up onto the be

william f. buckley actually shut out of the goldwater campaign late in 1963. it was a power play by a fellow by the name of -- it was power politics. william f. buckley on several different occasions that he did not think that barry goldwater would make a good president. he was not ready to be president and not smart enough to be president. now, ronald reagan to talk relationship with william buckley is complicated. the panama canal, they had a famous debate in which william f. buckley argued that it was a good thing. ronald reagan had basically run his 1976 campaign on the idea that it was a bad thing. these are the personality clashes that any of these guys are going to have. >> can i recommend a great book for this question buckley's last book that he published is called "higflying high. " it is one of the best books ever written and bottled water. i recommend it. >> -- written about barry goldwater. >> i recommend it. >> i have two questions for the panel to address. i wonder if by engaging over dir

. >> foreign actors is not a new theme.elections i would like to show you a clip om william f. buckley jr.'s original "firing line." and you'll see that this the has come up before. take a look. >> the soviet union is devoting $2 billion a year to propaganda activities primarily dicted against the united states. they broadcast in 83 languages, 2,000 hours a year. this is 19. for that whole yr, 2,000 hours. that's radio moscow alone. they have another transmitter p called radce and progress, which assumes a more strident tone. something has to be done. >> okay, so there you see, senar, the russians, the viets have been waging influence campaigns for roughly a century, interfering,o accordxperts, in the elections of 1960, 1968, 1976, and the 1984 eleions, russiahen again interfering in the 2016 election. this is nothing new if we look at history. correct, senator? >> it's solutely nothing new. what mr. staar was talking about is absutely what's going on today. the difference is the availabilityhe ofechnology to do it in a much more insidious t and i'm afrasay effective way than just, you

the printing press, i want you to take a look at an earlier version of this program hosted by william f. buckley in 1996. at that point, the internet was still w. buckley debated the head of the acluer over whether gent should be allowed to regulate speech on this neplatform. take a listen he. >> the printing press was first vented in the 15th century. of course, england went a little bicrazy at the time. so parliament quicklpassed censorship laws. three centuries later in america, we invented the first amendment to end government censorship and allow mr. buckley and i and many others to make our living speaking freely. so now they've got a new inting press. 's invented with a built-in system for distribution. it's called the internet. c anyone w afford a computer now owns a printing press. and like parlient in the 15th century, congress has gone a little bit nuts over it.so hey've now passed a new law to impose censorship on computer communications. >> all right. t so, ban, the debate was about protecting children. t,t, you know, today, there's a new twight? lies and disinformation, as you poin

they appear in my book, two nobel winning economists and william f. buckley, the founder environment national review. all very important figures in the history of conservativism. i want to look at another strada of thursdainkers. i look at a bunch of people that i term the apostles of free enterprise following what the media called them. and i'm including people in this category, most of us haven't heard of them. merle thorpe, the editor of the nation's business which was the journal of the u.s. chamber of commerce. thorpe made a crucial role in free ent pruz and modern sense. and i look at the apren tuesday and the president of the armstrong corporation and also for a while the president of the national association of manufacturers. they kaurd a lot about free ent pruz and leonard reid, one of the first conservative think tanks. and he is also the author of an essay called i pencil that is the autobiography of a pencil which plays a crucial role in chapter six of my book. i also look at people who are better known but probably not considered intellectuals li

at all of a mind that maybe it ought to go to another level, if not to what's advocated by william f. buckley, jr. and milton friedman, legalization, somewhere between there and where we are now? >> no, i don't think that's the right answer. i don't believe legalizing narcotics is the answer. i just don't believe that's the answer. i do believe that there's some fairly good news out there. the use of cocaine, for example, by teenagers is dramatically down. but we've got to keep fighting on this war against drugs. we're doing a little better in interdiction. many of the countries below that used to say, well, this is the u.s.'s problem -- if you'd get the demand down, then we wouldn't have the problem -- are working cooperatively with the dea and the military. we're using the military more now in terms of interdiction. our funding for recovery is up, recovering the addicts. where we're not making the progress, sander, is in -- we're making it in teenagers, and thank god, because i thought what ross said was most appropriate about these families and these children. but where we're not making it

yeah, i don't think edmond burke, william f. buckley, russell kirk, ronald reagan, would call that conservative. you know why? because it's not. >> and michael steele, stay with us for this conversation because you mentioned the coronavirus which is surging to levels we haven't seen since july. with cases rising in at least 41 of 50 states, and more and more hospitals once again under siege. nbc news correspondent gabe gutierrez has the latest from milwaukee, wisconsin, a growing hot spot. >> reporter: the parking lot of a major league ballpark transformed into wisconsin's newest drive-through testing site. the cars started to line up more than an hour before this testing site opened. on friday, wisconsin saw a record number of new covid cases. more than 3,800. what are your symptoms? >> i have had a pesky cough since saturday. fatigue. >> reporter: we spoke with teacher stacy isakson from a distance. >> we want to get back to work and have life as normal as possible. and specifically as an educator, we want our kids to be in the classr

william buckley is complicated. the panama crowd -- the panama canal, they had a famous debate in which william f. buckley argued that it was a good thing. ronald reagan hadnomination to d term and to beat the republican nominee in 1984. >> one month ago i sat in my den and watched the democratic national convention. speaker after speaker promised the known to every narrow sense his group in the country. they ignored the hopes and aspirations of the largest special interest group all -- and free men and free women. [applause] so tonight, i want to speak about freedom. let me remind you that extremism as a defense of liberty is no vice. [applause] comment. if we would have elected barry goldwater as president in 1964, we would have won the war can and vietnam. he did not believe in public opinion to guide the war. i would also like to say that barry goldwater i barry told mr. nixon that he could not hold the south for him or make sure the south would stay for him. they asked him to resign instead of be impeached. thank you. >> franklin, thank you. >> this stuff about how barry goldwater could have m