cale boggs was loved. i mean, he was loved. >> once again, biden asked valerie to run the show. >> i remember saying to him, joey, i can't run a statewide campaign. i don't know how to do that. remember, he's 28, 27, i'm 25, 26. he said don't worry about it, valerie, we'll figure it out. >> she reached out to a local democratic party activist ted kaufman. >> so i went down and talked to him. so you're running on civil rights. you're running on environment. you're running on tax reform. and those are really good issues. silence. i said but i don't think you have a chance at winning. >> you said what? >> i don't think you have a chance of winning. you don't have a chance. cale boggs is like -- cale boggs is incredible. you've been in this for two years. you look like you're 25 years old. this is a race to run in order to make these issues you care about. i say you can do that, but there is no chance you can win. >> and his reaction to that was? >> well, just come and help me. just come and help me. we'll see