somewhat though the fi caney, an independent political and policy analyst affiliated with the university of south africa. and in johannesburg, david lewis, executive director, director at corruption watch which encourages public participation in combating graft. welcome to you both. some of those, let me start with you. how powerful is ace my guess? surely, and how significant is it that a case has been brought against him? he's quite a powerful figure in the sense that he was elected to become the sole attorney general of the ruling party, which is akin to being and minister to and political c.e.o. of the ruling party. so true that extern da has the luck to toot, to move around on full time basis, mobilizing, at the same time used also very much linked to the former president, jacob zuma. we still agree by many things which are taking place within the a.n.c. . and he believes he's also a victim, or all of you know, much of nations within the new a.n.c. leadership. a.n.c. is a deeply divided organisation almost equal ups. so the battle for the soul of the in c. will be afforded all over