. >>> i will talk to president-elect biden's covid transition head, michael osterholm. joining me for insight and analysis are nbc news correspondent carol lee, republican stratist ard card nis, maria teresa kumar, president of voto latino, and jeffrey golderg, editor and chief of "the atlantic." welcome to sunday, it's "meet the press." >> announcer: from nbc news in washington, the longest-running show in television history, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> and a good sunday morning. >>> nearly two weeks after a election contest won by joe biden by more than 5.5 million votes so far and a comfortable electoral vote margin, the country is facing two interconnected crisis. one, the president of the united states refuses to concede the election, claiming falsely it was somewhat stolen. his attorney general is currently investigating voter froud despite of lack of evidence any exists. his secretary of state is suggesting the president will be naug rated for a second term. perhaps he was kidding. the president fired his defense secretary and filling the defense

michael osterholm, director of research and policy and also a member of president-elect biden's covid-19 advisory board. great to see you. doctor, talk to me about these two vaccines. the fda is going to meet on pfizer's december 10th, moderna's on the 17th. what does that tell us about a timeline for people actually getting the vaccine? >> well, having both of these vaccines is light at the end of the tunnel. it's what we all need to keep our focus on and get to. the challenge we'll have is get ago as much as we want as quickly as we want. it takes two doses for each individual. when we talk about 20 million doses, that's really 10 million people. and it's going to take us well into the second or third quarter of next year before we're going to have adequate vaccine supplies for most of the country. that means we have to continue

fauci, he also means epidemiologist michael osterholm who coauthored a piece several weeks ago urgingwe "commit to a more restrictive lockdown." well, dr. osterholm is slip widely expected to be out candidate for a top job in the biden administration. he genuinely seems to despise red state america where people have just decided, you know, we understand the risk but we have to move on with their lives. well, i hate to say i told you so but, i told you so. that's by newly minted covid advisor dr. michael osterholm. >> we need to in a sense lockdown and drive down this infection level to a place we can actually control it with testing and tracing and follow up this way just like the asian countries have done. we talk about everything from australia to new zealand right up to china and japan come all those countries have done it already. >> laura: he's actually, joining me now is a white house advisor dr. scott outlets. you the litany. he's saying australia did it right, people having ptsd when they went back out in public for the first time. this is where we are going back to even with

i'm grant lotus and i'm vicki liviakis doctor michael osterholm says that a nationwide lockdown would drive. >>the number of new cases and hospitalizations down manageable level while the world around for a vaccine kron four's dan kerman joins us live from san francisco on what this could mean for the baiji zdan you hear the word. >>lockdown and everyone cringe is it sure seems like we need something more nuanced in surgical for different parts of the country. well that's what medical experts here say what we didn't hear just a few seconds ago was state medical expert in the bay area talking about. >>how things are bad in parts of the country but here in the bay area while they're going in the wrong direction, what he did not hear him just a few seconds ago it was the fact that they are still not going bad enough to require any sort of a full on lockdown in the bay area that's why medical experts here favor a regional approach. this is what san francisco looked like in march deserted streets following a covid-19 lockdown order has that same kind of shut down in the nation's future. du

let's discuss with michael osterholm.e's the director of infectious disease research and he's a new member of the biden coronavirus board. professor, thanks so much for joining us. you and other experts on this advisory board, it's an impressive group, i know met several of them. you had a chance to meet with president-elect ahead of the speech today. i know you can't get into specifics. this is a lot of confidential information. what can you tell us about the meeting and the president-elect's top priorities in combatting this virus? >> well, i think the president-elect and the vice president-elect clearly understand the severity of what we're encountering and how much worse it's going to get before we do get to successful vaccines. i'm very impressed with the comprehensive nature that they're looking at all aspects of how to reduce the number of cases, how to treat those cases that are already in the pipeline or coming into our hospitals and then what we need to do to improve the public health system. i think it's a very

so sanjay is back with us now along with michael osterholm, he is the director of the center of infectious disease research and policy at the university of minnesota, he is also a member of president-elect joe biden's covid-19 advisory board. sanjay, what makes it a humanitarian crisis now? >> well, you know, i've covered a lot of humanitarian crises around the world, there is sometimes a singular event like an earthquake or some sort of natural disaster, or a series of events, you know? i mean, i've covered if a minut famines, i've covered natural disasters. this pandemic i think is the worst. before now i think the earthquake in haiti was the toughest story i think i ever covered and some 250,000 people died there over that year, you know, in 2010. i mean, that's what we're seeing here and i think the idea that so many of these deaths that are happening in the united states are preventable just adds to that idea that this is a true humanitarian crisis. doctors without borders have come to the united states to do their work. they go to the hottest spots in the world, they look at the eart

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michael osterholm. center for infectious disease research and policy at the university of minnesota. first on "cbs this morning," esshe is announcing a fund to help families of front line health care workers that lost their lives to covid-19. i will get to that in a second. thanks for being with us. you said this is the most dangerous time since 1918, pandemic of 1918. where is this trend line taking us and what do we have to do immediately to get this under control? >> well, first of all, great news is what we heard today from moderna, the fact we have a vaccine that not only prevented illness but evidence of severe illness. we have to imagine going to a day in the months ahead where this will be behind us. right now, we are in the most dangerous period as you noted. you know what the numbers are now, what we call exponential growth, case numbers are doubling every few days. and i think between now and well past the holidays, we're going to see a major increase in cases in this country, many parts of t

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. >> brooke, just another note on that idea of a national lockdown, floated by michael osterholm. president-elect's team, president-elect biden, the team pushing back saying this is not in line with joe biden's view and noting michael osterholm is one of several advisers on that coronavirus force helping the president-elect. >> i'm still back to we need to do what we need to do this thanksgiving so we have one next year. >>> what about the vaccine. new information about strategy for potential vaccine. with that let's go to senior medical correspondent elizabeth cohen. she just wrapped up interview with deputy chief of supply and distribution for operation warped, retired lieutenant paul. what did he tell you? >> talked bow how we make this work. we do have effective vaccine, pfizer vaccine effective. how do we get it across the united states. usually that wouldn't be a big deal, we ship vaccine every day. it has to be kept negative 300 degrees fahrenheit. doctors offices, hospitals don't have freezers that low. pfizer invented something called a cryo box that will be replenished,

>> he certainly has people who would like them to go that route, including michael osterholm.erholm in that clip, which i viewed before i came on with you, talks about what a wonderful job europe has done, which looked pretty good and how we should follow europe in a lockdown, really hard. that was really good in august,d right now with france reporting yesterday the equivalent of 425,000 positive tests, via population. in other words, the french and european numbers have been much worse than the u.s. numbers recently. here's the broader point, tuck tucker. for lockdowns and coronavirus have been inherently political from the beginning. i think there's a very good case to be made that president trump would be coasting into a second term, or would have won a second term, anyway, if you had -- if he hadn't had the coronavirus and had it been punished for it by the media. so as biden takes office, and wi think we all expect he is going to take office in ten weeks. republicans are going to have to really raise their voices i think, if we don't had for a national lockdown, if we're

back with us again tonight is michael osterholm, professor and the director for the center of infectious disease research and policy university of minnesota. also happens to be a newly named member of the president-elect's covid-19 advisory board. michael, i presume this helps that a 20-day wait to get your hands on everything is better than maybe a 40-day wait. and i'm not sure our audience understands you've been forbidden from calling your public health counterparts inside this sitting government before we got actual notification that the transition is under way. so does this help? >> thank you, brian. it helps a lot. the transition team will immediately begin reaching out to those federal partners whether they be at the fda or the nih or the cdc so that we can, in fact, begin planning not just for what's happening now but well after january. and so this is a very important development and one that will really help us a lot with the vaccine delivery to the united states. >> is it a strange feeling that your sum total efforts are to hit the ground running january 20th, and in some case

. >>> we're joined by michael osterholm, he is a member of president-elect biden's covid-19 advisory board. michael, always good to have you on. >> thank you, it's good to be with you. >> so you have advocated for the need for a national lockdown, perhaps as long as four to six weeks. the biden team has said that's not on the table. i wonder in your discussions have they told you explicitly that that is a nonstarter? >> well, first of all, as i've clarified on multiple occasions over the past several weeks i did not recommend that to the biden group. i wrote an op-ed piece in the "new york times" back in august indicating that if we were going to try too really knock this down we were going to have to have a national approach for which we also had to have financial support, we needed to be able to take care of the small businesses, the individuals who are not allowed to work anymore in order to make this work. that's not even on the table right now. so what we're seeing s in fact, all 50 kborchers a egovernors a coming up with their own approach and at this point i don't see a nationa

we'll get more on all of this with michael osterholm, director of the center for infectious disease researchy at the university of minnesota. he's also a member of the biden-harris transition covid-19 advisory board. michael, thanks so much. what would you urge americans to consider as we head into this holiday? >> well, despite the fact that we have great news coming down the pike with vaccines, we still have to live with the reality that we are living in the most dangerous public health moment since 1918. that the challenges we have before us right now with the ever increasing number of cases and rapidly increasing number of cases in many areas that we are going to see our hospitals literally on the verge of collapse. that's where we have to understand we're at right now. >> and dr. jonathan reiner, you saw him in the piece a few moments ago, former white house medical team adviser, warning that thanksgiving could become the mother of all superspreader events. is that overstating things, do you think? >> no. i think it's all a relative issue. jim, remember at one time when new york had 32,

michael osterholm said our health care system is literally breaking. what are you seeing? >> -- >> i'm afraid we do not have jodi's audio yet. we'll go back to her in just a moment. do we have jodi's audio? >> i'm here. i apologize. >> we're going to go back to her. jodi? >> hi. >> here we go. we can hear you now. tell us, what is the system like where you are? >> it's very -- it's incredibly exhausting. there's a feeling of defeat that we certainly feel. the numbers continue to rise every day, and our team is exhausted. i can't reiterate that enough. our team is -- you walk into the unit and there's a sense of just exhaustion, defeat. a tired feeling. we've been going at this since march 11th now, and our team is truly exhausted. you can replicate, you know, machines and ppe and such, but you can't replicate physicians and nurses. and we're tired. we need the community's help. >> compare this to what you're experiencing now to -- actually, let me go back. when you say you need the community's help, what does that mean? what does that look like? >> we want the community to

. >> one of the people on the biden team is michael osterholm. i want to play this for you.omments he made about the upcoming thanksgiving holiday. >> i personally have been involved with tragic situations where young, healthy adults came home to see mom and dad, grandpa and grandmother, where they brought the grandkids with them, and two to three weeks later one of the older members of the family are desperately ill or die. the greatest love you may show your family is not having an outbreak occur in your home on thanksgiving day. >> doctor, as a practical matter, this is going to be a tough one because the news media will sound like scolds. we all know what kids like to do, and that's come home, mostly because they want to see their friends over the break. this is going to be tough to enforce. also most families will go into this thinking, we're safe. we have this figured out. it's not going to happen to us. >> yeah. so, brian, let me be your surrogate scold for a minute because this is really -- it literally, you know, it's a cliche. this is a matter actually of life and

from your view is that all that's necessary right now or do you agree with like a michael osterholm who believes a national lockdown is necessary? >> i definitely agree with symone that nothing has changed since you and i began talking in march. we still know how to protect ourselves against the virus, it's not an expensive solution, it may be an inconvenient solution to wear masks but people have lots of different ways to cover their mouth and face so they can be comfortable in whatever job they're doing. we really just need to focus, again, on being innovative on how we do things now that it's getting cold and we're sort of being pushed indoors. >> okay. so for people we're two weeks away from thanksgiving for folks who are making plans right now, what should those plans be or should they exercise an abundance of caution, not travel, stay at home, keep their groups small? >> so it's basically a risk assessment of your situation, right? so if you're going to be with anybody that you don't know their habits outside of their -- during their living, then i think you need to question wheth

michael osterholm tells nbc news he was talking about a past article and was not advocating for a nationwide shutdown. osterholm adding it was not a recommendation i have never made this recommendation to biden's group. we've never talked about it and tonight in response to a tweet from the president suggesting voter fraud the agency that oversees election security said in a statement, quote, there is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes changed votes or was in any way compromised. lester >> all right kristen welker, thank you. >>> with biden ahead in georgia and both senate races there headed to runoffs that state is on the cusp of going blue for the first time in nearly 30 years with a lot of credit going to leading democrat stacey abrams blayne alexander spoke with her today >> reporter: for rasheeda mcnair a democratic victory was a long time coming. >> this is a great celebratory moment for all of us, for people of color, for people who waited hours on end. >> reporter: she was one of them. you have been here about three hours. >> i'm not leaving. >> reporter: from p

. >>> coming up, we speak to michael osterholm on plans to respond to the pandemic.om former georgia gubernatorial candidate stacey abrams. in our school matters segment, we'll hear from a student who's trying to make online learning easier for students around the world. i'm anne-marie green. have a great day. nne-marie green. have a great day.

we will begin with yesterday's meet the press and michael osterholm, who served on president-elect joe biden's task force at this to say about the coming week. >> let me ask you this. we are seeing the accidental rise that you sadly predicted would happen in covid cases. we going to plateau anytime soon or is this trajectory going to keep going up and up? >> thank you again and let me just say the outset that our future is in our hands. right now for at least the next three weeks, cases are in the pipeline, of these numbers are going to go way up. our job is to imagine what the world could be like if we do make the changes we need to make. we will be heading towards a vaccine in the next few months where we could start to imagine having summer baseball back. barbecues, etc.. in the meantime we are in the most dangerous public health period since 1918. , we aren't take steps going to see these numbers grow substantially. we are asking all of you what it's like where you live. what kind of mandates are in place. would you like to see more restrictions? john in houston, texas. go ahead. c

michael osterholm, a member of president-elect biden's covid-19 task force, is recommending a nationwide could lock down for four to six weeks, and if we did that, we could drive the numbers down, like they've done in asia, like they did in new zealand and australia. >> reporter: some people are just not getting the message, or they're ignoring it. today, what is being described as the nation's largest indoor water park opened in austin, texas. meanwhile, the first cruise ship to sail in the caribbean since the citywide positivity rate hit 2.6% today, closing in on the 3% threshold that would trigger a move to remote learning in all public schools. massiel lugo says all-remote would be devastating for her three-year-old son, ozzie, who is autistic. >> he cannot sit for more than ten minutes at a time. after that, he is just frustrated. he's crying. it's been really difficult. >> reporter: in new york city, mobile testing sites are set up. staten island has the highest positive test rates in the city with multiple neighborhoods approaching 5%. why are we seeing the surge now? >> so, if yo

a member of president—electjoe biden's coronavirus advisory board — dr michael osterholm — said thereal in the state of idaho had to turn away patients at the weekend because there was no room. the infectious diseases expert, dr anthony fauci, said that although people were tired of social distancing measures, they needed to persevere until a vaccine was available. the companies behind an experimental coronavirus vaccine say they'll apply for emergency approval to use it before the end of this month. if approved, one of the challenges that follows will be, how to get the drug to those who need it. here's our global health correspondent tulip mazumdar as the scientists offer a glimmer of hope, the grave—diggers continue their grim task. all around the world, loved ones are laid to rest. so, with the news this week of a potentially very effective vaccine, countries are racing to prepare for a possible roll—out. this is an absolutely unprecedented situation we find ourselves in today with over 200 vaccine candidates, 40 of them in clinical development within ten months of a new virus bei

during an interview this week doctor michael osterholm said we could lock down for 4 to 6 weeks and if we did that we could drive the numbers down like they've done in asia like they did in new zealand and australia. >>i think one size fits all will not work at at this time. >>doctor robert wachter chairs you see san francisco's department of medicine. >>there are clearly areas it mostly in the midwest that need to have something that's pretty close to a full on lockdown but when you look at the bay area for example, we're definitely going in the wrong direction. but we're nowhere near the kinds of numbers of hospitalizations or test positivity rate that would merit closing everything the back down to where we were in march. so it's got to be regionally determined. >>if there was to be a lockdown business leaders say the federal government must provide wages for out of work employees and provide greater support for small business owners than just a ppp loan. >>rent that's still going to be do want to start still going to be do inventory. overhead that's still going. accumulate a cost a

michael osterholm, an adviser to president-elect biden, floated the idea of shutting down businesses for four to six weeks and paying americans to stay home. dr. fauci says the move isn't necessary. he says people just need to wear masks. >> there is no appetite for locking down in the american public but i believe we can do it without a lockdown. i really do. help is really on the way. vaccines are going to have a major positive impact. >> he says vaccines will likely start to be distributed in december and become widely available to the public by next summer. when challenged to getting the pfizer vaccine it has to be stored at 94 degrees below zero fahrenheit to remain effective. that is the same as a very cold day in the south pole. reporter anna stewart looks at how distributors plan to make it work. >> reporter: millions of doses have already been made, ready to go should the pfizer candidate get regulatory approval. this one uses messenger rna. a new technology which poses a major challenge for storage and transportation of the vaccine. >> we have to keep the product very cold

michael osterholm, newly named to president-elect biden's coronavirus advisory board. how bad did it get for you? >> it felt like a bad flu. >> reporter: dr. julio novoa is an el paso o.b./g.y.n. who got the virus and passed it to his wife. >> it's something scary. it's your life. it could be life or death. >> reporter: in the chicago area hours-long waits for testing. more than 100,000 in illinois tested on monday alone. 15 states have seen coronavirus hospitalizations double in the last month, including new mexico, where hospitalizations tripled in a month as des moines hospitals are at capacity, even the children's hospital. a stark warning in oklahoma: >> if our current rate of infection is not curbed, we will run out of beds and of staff. >> reporter: and dire predictions in minnesota. >> the fear is, once you lose control, this line would go off the top of the television screen here. >> reporter: in idaho, one of the state's largest hospital had to temporarily send patients away the last two weekends, no room. amid covid fatigue, some scenes of defiance, includin

michael osterholm, a member of president-elect biden's covid-19 task force, is recommending a nationwidekdown. >> we could lock down for four to six weeks, and if we did that, we could drive the numbers down, like they've done in asia, like they did in new zealand and australia. >> reporter: some people are just not getting the message, or they're ignoring it. today, what is being described as the nation's largest indoor water park opened in austin, texas. meanwhile, the first cruise ship to sail in the caribbean since march is now docked in barbados because a passenger tested positive for covid-19. other passengers must remain in their cabins. here's the dean of brown university's school of public health, dr. ashish jha. >> what i'm trying to say to folks is, got to hold on for a few more months. vaccines are coming. this is not the time to be having house parties. >> reporter: the reality is, it may be too late to act. david begnaud, cbs news, chicago. >> reporter: i'm meg oliver in new york city, where a second wave of coronavirus is on the brink of crashing down. the citywide positiv

michael osterholm.e's an epidemiologist and director of the center for infectious disease research and policy at the university of minnesota. good to see you. always good to have you here. >> good to see you again. thank you very much, gayle. >> i'm so glad you're here. now we've got not one but two drugs who are going for emergency use authorization. why are you so encouraged by this? this sounds like great news. >> it is great news. i think we have a light at the end of the tunnel, but we have to get to the end of the tunnel. and that's what is really sobering today is the challenges we have before we're going to see most americans having access to this vaccine. >> so here's a big question. has team biden started talking to team trump? because now we're going to have to figure out a way to coordinate all of this. have those conversations begun? >> the transition team is talking to the administration, to the senior leadership at the department of health and human services, and that's a really good thin

. >> on that note, let's bring in micha michael osterholm. it's good to have you.ig question on everybody's minds, are we talking about this winter lockdowns, curfews, those kind of mitigation efforts or are we able to cope with this pandemic and keep the economy open this time around? >> first of all, we have to understand that the term lockdown means a lot of different things to different people and how are we going to respond and what does an uncontrolled pandemic do to the economy by itself, even if you don't do anything in terms of official government action. i think the important message here, as meg just laid out, we are seeing this very rapid increases in cases at labor day, we were at 32,000 cases a day. today we're at 120,000 case as day. my prediction is that number is going to go much higher that be 120,000 each day hospitalizations will ten contie to increase substantially. many health care systems will be overrun in the next three to 14, 15, weeks. and finally, the other piece about this that isn't being talked about is the fact that we've identified

doctor michael osterholm said we could lock down for 4 to 6 weeks and if we did that we could drive the numbers down like they've done in asia like they did in new zealand and australia. i can't see a national lockdown that everybody goes back to where. >>we were in march doctor robert wachter who chairs you see san francisco's department of medicine says some form of lockdown may be needed in certain places in the midwest and the dakotas where covid-19 is out of control if there you know encouraging people to wear masks if you're going to a big crowd. i mean come on it's it's it's november, everybody needs to be wearing a mask there should not be big they should be shutting down bars they should be shutting down indoor dining at restaurants, but wachter says while cases may be going in the wrong direction in the bay area. they are not nearly bad enough to require that same sort of lockdown here in san francisco. we have had a 153 deaths from covid since the since march since this thing started if you took our numbers and you extrapolated them to the whole country. >>there would have be

michael osterholm says they need to do better convincing people that the vaccine is safe and preparing people for potential side effects from the vaccine nap is nothing to be said of the effort needed to distribute millions of vaccine doses considering how little time there is to spare. new cases of covid-19 are surging to levels not yet seen. more than 600,000 americans contracted the virus over the holiday weekend alone. nearly 5,000 died dr. anthony fauci warn that's holiday travel is going to make things worse. >> as we go for the next few weeks into december that we might see a surge on that super surge we're already in. when i give that message i don't want to frighten people if is not too late at all for us to do something about this. as we travel back to be careful, when we go back to where we are, to continue to do the things that we have been talking about -- >> despite warnings from the cdc, they estimate that 1.1 they are now telling travelers to assume they were infected and to act accordingly until they're tested. joining me now from california is jay cobb sober off. expl

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michael osterholm at the university of minnesota, i know they're going to do the right things.y're going to focus on the science, the data and give recommendations to that political team of what needs to that happen going forward. i'm hoping that we can get away from the politicalization of covid and the recommendations around it, and do what we need to as a community and a country to move forward and going into the next year on a better footing. >> that's all the time we have. we appreciate you coming on, and best of luck over there in el paso. dr. alozi, thank you for joining us. >> appreciate it. >> as we have reported, control of the u.s. senate hangs in the balance in the state of georgia. a runoff election in january will determine which party gets control. claims of widespread election fraud are muddying the water. >> it's all on the lines, all eyes in this country are on georgia. we are going to save the country. >> reporter: control of the u.s. senate comes down to two senate runoffs in georgia, two incumbent republican senators, kelly leffl kelly loeffler and david pe

with the surge affecting every part of the country, michael osterholm, a top adviser on president-elect joe biden's coronavirus taskforce, said the u.s. is having "many mini-epidemics." ates are rolling out new measures to combat the surge. wisconsin and chicago have issued new stay-at-home orders. vermont has barred all gatherings outside of members of the same household. washington state has also set strictules on gatherings outside of household members, limited capacity at restaurants and prohibited indoor service at gyms, museums, and movie theaters. utah and north dakota are the latest states to mandate mask wearing. meanwhile, in south dakota, where the covid-19 death rate is among the worst in the world, governor kristi noem, a close trump ally, has said she would not enforce a mask mandate even if ordered by future president joe biden. a new survey by national nurses united found that hospitals are still failing to provide adequate ppe and workplace protections. nurses say hospitals are unprepared as the surge is only expected to get worse during the flu season and the healthcar

michael osterholm had this to say yesterday. >> we could pay for a package right now to cover all ofages for individual workers, losses the small companies to make medium-sized companies, city states, county governments, we could do all of that. >> shannon: it would take about four to mecca six weeks of a full lockdown, what do you think? >> i think it's crazy, i talk to folks in my district all the time. i get a little upset with the fact all of these people out there talking about this, these bureaucrats, mayors, governors from these blue states from the most part that are talking about shutting everything down, not a single one of them, not a single one have missed a paycheck. at the normal folks that are out there on the edge right now, small businesses have been driven into the ground by this virus already, they cannot tolerate this. the cure cannot be worse than the disease and you have to look at the big picture. for some of these people who don't have an income for being crushed by this kind of the advice, the cure is worse than the disease. we have to look at the big picture

michael osterholm talking about where we are now and the dangers ahead. >> we are watching cases increasestantially in the country far beyond what most people thought could happen. it wouldn't surprise me if in the next weeks we see over 200,000 cases a day until we get to a vaccine available for all we have to deal with what's happening right now and that, by itself, is really going to be a challenge. >> as someone who has been involved in government decisions, i'm fascinated to hear your perspective on what now when you have a trump administration, at least from the president, who's just decided to ignore the pandemic for months and the facts support that i'm sorry to say, now you have a new team that doesn't come in for 70 days. so what has to happen in this period, between the existing administration and the incoming administration to at least try to get a better handle on this? >> we can't count on the trump administration for any leadership at this point on the virus. they've had nine months and haven't done anything. but we can expect them to at least do their part to allow the inc

joining us now, michael osterholme, a member of president-elect joe biden's coronavirus task force.u. >> how is it helpful for joe biden to have these discussions with front line workers, discussions that clearly donald trump has never had, about what is happening today in this pandemic, in addition to all of the scientific information he gets from advisers like you? >> one of the most important aspects of movining forward wit this pandemic is recognizing the emotional toll as well as the physical toll. as you've heard me say before on this very show, what we need more are more fdr-type moments, fireside chats that help tell us the story of how we're going to get to a vaccine this spring. and meetings today with president-elect biden shows his real concern, his humanness and compassion that helps us understand that we will get there. but it's going to take more than just the idea of, it's coming. we need to listen and we have to be able to communicate with those on the front lines who are in such pain, and give them hope. >> i was just reading the language of the white house coronav

. >> this is from michael osterholm from the university of minnesota, a leading voice of this and alsoart of the biden task force. here's what he said over the weekend. >> my worst nightmare is we'll see more pictures of people dying in the chairs in the waiting rooms of emergency rooms of hospitals. that's going to happen. >> people dying in chairs in emergency rooms in hospitals, that's going to happen. is that what you're preparing for? >> he paints a vivid picture and let's take a moment to recognize the significant strain that the health care system, as well as health care providers are under. that's why the planning around the vaccine is so critical. if we don't have the proper funding, it'll be like putting up tent poles without having the tent. >> we wish you a lot of luck as soon as you get the vaccine. thank you for being with us this morning. >> thank you, poppy. >> we do wish him luck. still to come, former mayor, former prosecutor and now chief conspiracy theorist. why rudy giuliani's false election claims are called very dangerous and extremely alarming. it matters. ♪ lim

michael osterholm said they are on the edge of breaking so we asked some emergency room physicians toful for. we start off with dr. gilman of arizona who traveled during the early days of the pandemic to help overwhelmed physicians there to back the first wave. >> we have had tens of patients who have been high poxy. a patient had cardiac arrest. it's insane. when i talk about the pandemic and the amount of death health care providers here are seeing who are not even trained, who are not even trained for that. you know? i've been in boot camp in the military and i trained for war and they are in a war. make no mistake, this is a war. there is no general helping us. there is no plan. and for people in this country to continue to get infected, i hate calling family members and they keep telling me that their child or their husband or their wife is dead. that is what we are doing all across this nation. my 27-year-old cousin, healthy as hell died from covid-19. i've lost three colleagues to this virus. last sunday, i was working in the shift here in yuma, arizona. no mask mandates. no ic

michael osterholm said this. >> i actually had frequent conversations with members of the nih, the cdc, the fda, all these areas in terms of looking towards what can we do, how can we address this pandemic? and since i've been a member of this group i've not been allowed by law to speak to these people. this is big problem. and you can't minimize it by saying the people there now will be there at the end. it's really important the transition team have access to information that will allow them to plan now for hitting the ground running on january 20th. >> with that, let's bring in the lead off guest on this friday night. susan page, veteran journalist, best selling author, usa today washington bureau chief. she was of course moderator of the vp debate this cycle. she's barbara bush's biographer. peter baker, chief white house correspondent for "the new york times" along with his wife and writing partner, susan glasser, he happens to be the author of the new best-seller of the life and times of one james baker iii. and jeremy peters rejoins our fold at long last. and a veteran reporter