meghan crocker is director of the national suicide prevention and trauma recovery project. naomi muffy is a community activist and kristi sharma is a senior research out with human rights watch. we also asked the government's national indigenous australians agency to join us, but they toned down our invitation bought. they did send a statement and i will be sharing that with you a little bit later on. ladies, thank you so much for being part of today's show make and there were just 2 numbers that are in my head right now. one is 10, that's the age of criminal responsibility l strain. the other one is 15 times more indigenous youngsters are incarcerated. what young says in australia? those 2 numbers are shock. what does that mean to family? and if we take it away from us and we talk about family, what does that mean? it means that it's broken families and we said it and we said it made subjected to racism, discrimination. marginalisation pretty clear that he whispered straight out, as mentioned in the other video here, we have a mother who juggles and discrimination is really