bella forsgren is the only black politician in finland's government and akunna onwen is the chair ofor us on the outside when you look at finland, one of the first countries in the world to allow women to vote and run for government, you know, really good laws when it comes to maternity leave and also paternity leave, real conversations that are being had about the pay gap. is that inclusive of all women? would you say it is inclusive of black women as well? if we had exactly the same conditions, exactly the same timing and age and... if we had exactly the same conditions, exactly the same timing and age and... family background, and yet sanna marin was black, would she be prime minister? now? not now. no. laughter. not now. she was the first female minister of the interior in the 80s but you saw many from the previous decades and she was in office when it was the chernobyl accident. what happened in finland was that people did not know what's happening there and we got the information quite late and so on. so she didn't get re—elected any more afterwards and so on, but then we have