. >> you can look at the rio grande valley, ferment, revolution, world war i was started and the germans were trying to get a foothold of mÉxico, at the same time the land boom on the american side, texas side on the rio grande valley. many tejanos, texans of mexican decent had lived there for generations, had the property holdings going back to spanish land grants but the anglo settlers wanted that land, they would send in the rangers to force them off, burn them out, kill them, that was the rangers' role there and, no, of course, they weren't punished, they acted on behalf of the government and on behalf of the richland owners. they were their agents. >> you go to the current day. you tk about the -- i guess you talk in the book about initiatives in early part of last century and even later when you had governor alred to get elected who was a forward-thinking progressive type governor that tried to bring about changes and seemed like the changes were difficult to bring aut in a large-scale basis but i guess it's been changed quite a bit based on what you have ultimately discovered in t

what you have in the rio grande valley in these counties that are heavily mexican-american, they voted as texans. many of these families have been here for 15 generations. they are not immigrants. they may be surname hernandez, but their ancestors came in 1598 across the rio grande. i think that is -- you saw a pushback against this idea of the salad model rather than the melting pot. nobody gets up in uruguay or lisbon, portugal or mexico and says, i want to emigrate with my family to the united states because i want my children to grow up being victims, marginalized, and change society from within. yet this is the central idea in identity politics. it misunderstands human nature, which is why it needs a system of rewards through the racial preferences of affirmative action and things of that nature, because otherwise it falls apart. people just want their children to succeed. host: gary in fletcher, north carolina, independent line. caller: another great topic. i got three questions to put out there. do you think gerrymandering is kind of a response to identity politics? i always tho

sawhe rio grande valley, we counties that are 97% american. county, a county that hillary clinton had won handily in 2016. and you have the example of south florida with many south americans and cuban-americans voting for trump in very large numbers, but more importantly, the puerto rican districts swinging toward president trump. wasink what we saw then this rejection i'm speaking of, cssle saying please do not victims. we are going -- see us as victims. there going to vote on economy, we are going to vote to sustain the economy, to make sure the economic system doesn't change, the preservation of the american system. the group, the group of who are hispanic americans, showed every time you pulled them that every time the most important thing is the economy, education, health care and so forth. host: we spent the first hour talking to viewers and listeners president-elect's cabinet picks so far, asking them if diversity matters in the cabinet. matter, in your opinion, for the selections of the president-elect or any president coming in? guest

nothing is humongous we saw in the rio grande valley, counties that are 95% mexican-american with massive swings to trump. the county that hillary clinton had won handily in 2016. and, of course, you have the example of florida and south florida with many south american s and cuban-americans voting for trump in very large numbers. more importantly, puerto rican districts in the so-called i-4 corridor between tampa and orlando swinging towards , president trump. what we saw then was exactly this rejection i am speaking of of people saying please do not use us as victims. we are going to vote as all other americans. we are going to vote on the economy. we are going to vote to sustain capitalism, to make sure the system of government and our economic system has not changed. the group of americans listed in the senses as hispanic-americans show every time when you poll them that what is most important is the economy, education, which is the ladder to success, health th.re and so for host: we spent the first hour of their programs begin to our viewers and listeners about the cabinet pickst's s

the process but court but it is here in the rio grande valley. it is a transit area people are moved out of the valley drugs going north. >>human smuggling assistant special agent in adm each elements will lead the homeland security investigation division in mcallen security investigations in the valley. there's been some cases where. >>we have women had been lord into the united states are smuggled and then tree and then turned into a trafficking. scenario where they're made to pay their smuggling fees and they're kept against her will to work their dead off at a bar or you know or a it out for those reasons one of those examples and but i still bar mission texas. >>there was a bar mission texas where. women had been lord to work in them are smuggled over from mexico. and eventually were being trafficked girls ages, 1415 17 were promised $3 for every beer that a customer bought them. >>and then they could keep any money they made having with customers. they had to subtract $50 to pay back for smuggling fees. but it was a lie. the teens were neve

the high traffic area is in the rio grande valley in central texas.e a majority of that land is private property, they weren't able to build the wall there. so that 73 miles' worth of fence built in arizona and new mexico was public land already, so it's really kind of useless, and again, it goes back to the fact that walls don't keep people out when there is a pull and there is a push. this is really what we have to delve into with our immigration policy. you can build fences, you can put ladders up when it comes to building fences, but let's get to the reasons why people might migrate. >> i'll see you in the new year. we'll have lots more discussion with the new administration. thank you so much. >>> there are economic tough times in america, and they have a portfolio to prove otherwise, at least, for themselves. a portfolio to prove otherwise, at least, for themselves you can even order on the subway® app! did i just get picked off by deion sanders? you sure did! now in the app, get a free footlong when you buy two. because it's footlong season™! >

. >> joe biden won the election, donald trump made gains in the rio grande valley and miami, you are chair of the congressional hispanic caucus, what does the democratic party need to do to reach out to latino voters? a diverse group, how do they tailor their outreach and what should they be doing? >> let's talk about the overall sentiment, hearing from different mediums that donald trump, a lot of latinos, the correct frame, in the latino community, that helped biden in the election. >> you don't think the party, the country and the president-elect understands, a key component to their victory so we would have read presentation, more latinas in particular and we should press for an agenda that will serve the latino community. there was an increase of latinos that voted for donald trump but they started with such low numbers, the increment will increase percentagewise is larger than the absolute overwhelming voter turnout increase that voted for biden. having said that, the party needs to address and speak to the latinos in that particular region or that particular district. we canno

he did very well in places like miami-dade and the rio grande valley and that probably made the difference with the democratic numbers in florida that i think were on nobody's radar screen to be a danger to lose. the best analysis i have heard is that immigration was not as high profile and issue in this election as it was in 2016. but it was a reminder that latinos as a whole are younger than the population at large. they are less likely to be struck down by covid and also a lot of the industries hardest to and hotels and restaurants the economic issues for a lot of latino voters were survival issues. so that grew them in a way that they were not picking up to trumps message and that is one of the things that will be studied about the selection going forward. >> by the time we got to election day, 250,000 americans had died. bob woodward's reporting coming out the audio of president trump privately telling him back on february 7th that he knew it was airborne and how dangerous it is. we surprised that he does such big numbers just his handling of covid? >> not really. we have been here be

in the rio grande valley a different story where we didn't do as well. when we talk about this, even in the same ethnicity sometimes the rural urban side is another dimension we need to understand moving forward. those are two examples of doing things differently and that helps to connect with voters but we still know, somebody in this conversation, it is a big issue especially in south florida. the misinformation infrastructure was very very robust and it didn't just start in 2018. it started in 2020. it has been around for many years and it is a formidable infrastructure to address. >> i know that you are the number side, the biden campaign, what numbers, what issues, what did you find, what were they and the campaign, to address the issues that concern voters in these different locations? >> building on what tom just laid out it is important to try to understand the latino community, the electorate. we are all latino and we have things in common but we also have diversity in our politics and that is okay and i think for a long time for the better part

it close to reaction not to much and african-americans but i'm struck i latino votes in the rio grande valley there seems to be real movement among latinos and david shore of pool progressive political analysts said democrats have spent all this time dreaming of a multiracial working-class coalition and now it exists and it looks like it's under republicans watch. i do think both of those things are true. >> you mentioned 68. there was an active debate over the summer and lots of people including me have their own opinions about it. clearly a huge does english sing factors weigh in 2020 know-how in 1968 turned out so it's easier to look back at that and go you know it came out in the wash. whereas we have no idea how 2020 is going to turn out in the future and that's the problem. we live in the present with no future awareness that some awareness of the past. but i do wonder for both of you and this is the negative question of the test pointed the better angels versus not. we just got lucky in 1968 in 1861? not that the civil war was lucky but it ended with a certain amount of resolution alth

he did very well in places like miami-dade and the rio grande valley, and that probably made a difference in democratic members in florida who were on nobody's radar screen to be a danger who lost. i think though the best analysis i have heard as to why that would be, a couple of things. one is that immigration was not as high profiled an issue in this election as it was in 2016, but it was a reminder, too, that latinos as a whole are younger than the population at large, which means they are less likely to be struck down by covid. and they are also in a lot of the industries that were hardest hit by the shutdowns, the hospitality industry, hotels, restaurants. as a result, economic issues for a lot of latino voters, those were survival issues. that drew them in a way that the polls were not picking up two trump's message. i think that is one of the things that is going to be studied about this election going forward. >> gromer, same question. to me by the time we got to election day, 250,000 americans had died. bob woodward reporting had come out, the audio of president trump privately t

if you live in minnesota and like to spend winters in the rio grande valley, you can end up showing twice because you filled out the form in each location. s that -- rep. grothman: that is reassuring. we found out something new today. rep. maloney: we now recognized mr. surveys -- sarbanes. rep. sarbanes: can you hear me ok? rep. maloney: we can. rep. sarbanes: you cochaired the task force of census experts at the american statistical association. you said in your capacity as cochair that, because data are foundational to our democracy, commerce, and everyday lives, the nation deserves publicly available indicators to assess the credibility of the final count. i appreciate your testimony reinforcing this notion of accountability, transparency, and the accuracy of the data and the importance of bringing in outside experts who can get the public more confidence that the senses is being conducted in an accurate fashion. are you satisfied the census bureau provided full data -- all the data you and the experts need to assess the quality of the census count? >> frankly, that has not occurred.

in the rio grande valley, i'm going to be talking to dr. ivan melendez, the chief health authority there. they've got rates of death and infection that are substantially higher than the texas average and the state average. and that story is repeated across texas and it's repeated across america. that hasn't been solved. in the months in which we have been able to watch this logistical, amazing feat that we have never seen other than wartime, what you're going to see in the next 72 hours is something that has never been done outside of wartime in terms of the logistics of getting these vaccines out. imagine if we had that kind of effort to deal with everybody's basic health and make sure everybody in the country get the same chance as that vaccine, as people in cities or people who are wealthy, or people who live near pharmacies and doctors. >> yeah, i think, you know, roland is absolutely right about the quality of care, especially for people who live in poverty. although i will just make one point about texas children's hospital, where i w

if you live in minnesota and like to spend your winters in the rio grande valley, you could end up showing up twice because you filled out the form in each location. medical that is reassuring. we found something new to vapor its wreck your time is expired thank you very much. we recognize mr. sir baines, mr. baines you are now recognized. >> thank you very much madame chair can hear me okay? >> guess we can. >> mr. chanteuse i wanted to ask about two things. you cochair of the task force of census experts. and yousa have said in your capacity as cochair, that because it is data of the foundational of our democracy commerce in everyday lives nation deserves publicly available indicators to be set the credibility of the final counts. i appreciate your testimony here today reinforcing this notion of accountability, transparency, the accuracy of the data and the importance of bringing in outside experts who can give the public more confidence that the census is being conducted in an accurate fashion. are you satisfied that the census bureaus has provided all of the data that you and other exp

>>the process but court but it is here in the rio grande valley. going north. >>human smuggling assistant special agent in adm each elements will lead the homeland security investigation division in mcallen. >>the homeland security investigations in the valley. there's been some cases where. >>we have women had been lord into the united states are smuggled and then tree and then turned into a trafficking. scenario where they're made to pay their smuggling fees and they're kept against her will to work their dead off at a bar or you know or a it out for those reasons one of those examples and but i still bar mission texas. >>there was a bar mission texas where. women had been lord to work in them are smuggled over from mexico. and eventually were being trafficked girls ages, 1415 17 were promised $3 for every beer that a customer bought them. >>and then they could keep any money they made having with customers they had to subtract $50 to pay back for smuggling fees. but it was a lie. the teens were never paid just trafficked between paying customers

if you live in minnesota and like to spend winters in the rio grande valley, you can end up showing twice because you filled out the form in each location. s that -- rep. grothman: that is reassuring. we found out something new today. rep. maloney: we now recognized mr. surveys -- sarbanes. rep. sarbanes: can you hear me ok? rep. maloney: we can. rep. sarbanes: you cochaired the task force of census experts at the american statistical association. you said in your capacity as cochair that, because data are foundational to our democracy, commerce, and everyday lives, the nation deserves publicly available indicators to assess the credibility of the final count. i appreciate your testimony reinforcing this notion of accountability, transparency, and the accuracy of the data and the importance of bringing in outside experts who can get the public more confidence that the senses is being conducted in an accurate fashion. are you satisfied the census bureau provided full data -- all the data you and the experts need to assess the quality of the census count? >> frankly, that has not occurred.

you had that in the rio grande valley, in these counties that were heavily mexican american.was not just as mexican-americans -- they voted as texans. devoted as tejanos. they may have these surname but there ancestors may be crossing in 1598 across the rio grande. i think that that is -- you saw a pushback against this idea of the salad model rather than the melting pot. nobody gets out and uruguay or says i wantugal and to emigrate with my family to the united states because i want my children to grow up there to be victims, marginalized, and yet this is the central idea in identity politics. nature,derstands human which is why it needs the system of rewards and things of that nature because otherwise it falls apart. people just want their children to succeed. carolina, republican line. caller: d you think that gerrymandering is a response to identity politics? is treatingt racism people differently and at the border, for example, i don't see people letting in white people or other types of people and not letting in others, so i don't see racism on that point. i will end it

when you compare what happened in the rio grand valley and has similar demographics.tuart: your honor, best of luck, congratulations on on progress you've made. dee margo, mayor of el paso, texas, thank you. >> thank you. stuart: the fa-a cleared the max jet for takeoff. grady trimble is at the dallas-ft. worth international airport. grady, did you get a first-hand look at the max jet cockpit? reporter: we did, stuart. we flew on the plane yesterday. it essentially felt like any other commercial flight which is what american and boeing, all the airlines want people to see. american will be the first to return the max to service later this month. first they do that to offer demo flights to employees to make sure they're comfortable on the plane. since it was ungrounded, they received wiring fixes, flight control updates and the flight system partly to blame for crashes in 2008 -- 2018 and 2019. american has max planes have been receiving regular maintenance, running engines, rotating tires. we talked with the coo who flew on the plane with us and he said the plane is r

. >> the mayor in el paso texas is looking at the rio grand valley. two fold.t of it is coronavirus fatigue. people are sick of the lockdown they are so not being careful anymore. he reminds people to please wear the mask. he says they have done contact tracing and it looks as if a lot of the cases are coming from those big box stores that everybody thought were safe. ainsley: the guy you just saw on laura's show we are losing our business and staff meanwhile walmart and target can stay open. maybe we get a low paying job with one of these larges corporations sings they're shutting down our outdoor dining. another guy alex jordan. he is the owner of eat at joe's restaurant in row did and dough beach, california. he put a big banner outside of his restaurant he said the hypocrisy has annoyed me i want my business to survive. brian: you don't get any communication with the people shutting you down. they are not making an effort for the most part any politicians to find out what is going on. precautions being made. how they can work together with the health depart

is that it's not the narrowly focused shift among the voters in south florida or just in the rio grande valleyople have seen. as far as we can tell, most heavily latino areas of the country shifted toward trump. there's still democratic areas to be clear. but it's a difference between losing by 80 and losing by 60 and it sort of extends the gains with secular noncollege white voters that trump had in 2016. and i think it raises the question of how democrats are communicating with less educated people across races, particularly because trump said and did so many offensive things over the years. i mean, republicans could clearly do better than donald trump as an outreach candidate. you shouldn't think of this as the ceiling, it's like the floor for what a populist, right-wing candidate can do. >> so something i kept hearing from the trump campaign as well as the biden campaign, and for the biden campaign, it was driving them crazy the last month. but they said, we just can't break through certain hispanic men. there's this -- and the trump people said the same thing. there's a macho thing that w

rio grande valet. velley -- valle. -- valley. there are, by calculation and , 265 counties we are at least 40% of the workforce is blue-collar. , the new dealties democratic coalition, save for the democratic party. least 40%es were at of the workforce is blue-collar. of those jointed 65 counties, joe biden won 15. that tells me something pretty robust about how working-class thers are trending toward party that historically is not the party of the working class, the republican party, and that inputes some seismic shift the political orientation of our society and our political future. i am good to stop there, i think i have exceeded my time, i apologize for that, but happy to turn it back to you for questions and conversation. roy: thank you, you did not exceed your time because you took on a monumental array of concepts. it is fascinating to start thinking about them. what i'm going to do, because i'm looking at my window with the audience questions, and there are some terrific questions, so i'm going to start their and see how