swain, jump in. dr.wain: i will not try to improve on it, but i want to take us in another direction and i hope it's not a rabbit trail. you think about conscience, fairness, justice, and the things that were important to this founding generation, and you look at slavery. in 1619, when the first people, black people came to america in bondage, they were treated as indentured servants. they were released after seven years and became the backbone of a free society in america, and they were released up until, i untile, 1640 and then up 1661, if they converted to christianity, they were freed. that earlier generation was much closer to conscience. they were much closer to god, so they actually tried to do right by the first people they brought to america in bondage and some of those slaves became slaveholders themselves and became wealthy. they became the backbone of the free black society in america, but, think about it. they were released if they converted to christianity, released after seven years, but t

carol swain joining our little gathering over here. just a quick little background on dr. swain. host of the podcast, be the people. sounds like an incredibly useful project for this moment. be the people. you also are the editor of nine books, one of which black faces, black interests, has one three national awards. another book, the new white nationalism in america, was nominated for surprise. she is a former university of professor of political science and law at princeton and vanderbilt. she was a national mayoral candidate 2018-2019. her opinion pieces have been published widely in the new york times, seen online, the washington post, the wall street journal. and she holds a phd from the university of north carolina chapel hill. i am so glad you could join us dr. swain. thank you so much. also, we have dr. william allen. he is with us as well. so, we have heard his remarks. we have heard remarks from joe caesar and now we want to have a robust discussion of out the political implications here of the mayflower compact. this idea of the rule of law. if i could just kind of get

swain, do you want to way back in on that? >> i just think it is so interesting, you know, that they had watched what had happened in europe. and, they knew the worst of human nature. and they were a people that, they were very familiar with the biblical stories and with israel. and with covenants. and so, they said, they set out to establish a covenant with the almighty god, and many of them saw america as being the new israel. and what i find most fascinating is that they had the complete bible, and they knew how harshly god dealt with israel when israel strayed. and they thought that they could form a society that would be better. and, we know that they sailed, the covenant that they sought to make with god was broken very quickly. and, new england today is probably the most "progressive" part of our country, except for california. so, there are exceptions. but if you look at you know, jonathan edwards and the people that were part of that era, what they sought to do, and what they believed. you know, it is just a nation so

highly contagious new strain of coronavirus, it is now popping up around the globe, france, den mark, swain, sweden, the netherlands, germany and not just europe. japan, australia, lebanon and our neighbor to the north, canada. a couple tested positive. they have no travel history, no known exposure or contacts. this ucsf epidemiologist says the u.k. variant could be in the u.s. and we might not know it because our surveillance to detect genetic changes in the virus lags behind other countries. >> they do a lot of monitoring of all of their coronavirus tests to look for changes. >> experts say there's no evidence of the new strain is a more dangerous form of the virus just that it's more contagious. now los angeles county is testing to see if that highly contagious variant might be behind its new surge. meanwhile the makers of the new pfizer covid vaccine say they believe it will work against the new strain but say its shot could be adjusted as quickly if needed. >> it is possible to make a new vaccine mimicking the new strains within a few weeks. >> reporter: but experts warn this may not

swain's approach to the pandemic has differed from most countries it's relied on voluntary social distancing while avoiding sleeping a lot down public life remained largely ineffective a move criticized by neighboring countries have been shut their borders in response the founder of swedish professors and doctors for human rights believes new restrictions are central. this will endear their west from the beginning to the economy business and of course. hard industry etc going to be enough of a sunday. they will not be drawn to close the schools because in that case the 25 percent of the or the labor force will be temporary last forced sort of study aiming to protect your economy there are not to say the most notable to look down and strict measures is the only way to at least try to contend to both the morbidity and mortality produced by these failures you will solve this situation with more and more measures you need to and i was trying to alter the strategy and you need to qualitative change here and not into an over strategy rule to mean in a sense in a basin not name it to suit economy b

carol swain.gument. here is harold smith, he's an ethics expert in the new york times saying older populations are whiter, society is structured in a way that enables them to live longer instead of giving additional health benefits to those who already had more of them we can start to level the playing field a bit and here is mark lipstich a infectious disease epidemiologist at harvard saying teaches have middle class salaries and are very often white and have college degrees and of course they should be treated better but they are not among the most mistreated of workers. carol, how did a discussion about a vaccine become a discussion about race? >> well, with critical race theory, everything is about race and it saddens me that we have abandoned our core principles and what you find taking place all across america, under the guides of diversity, equity, inclusion, is racism, and it's reverse racism against whites, and i have no respect for what i see being touted, because they have no moral grou

my borough,id, swains georgia. caller: yes, here we go.rying to limit due process from people that want to sue for good cause. host: some aspect of this is included in the bipartisan effort. caller: i was going to bring this up during the heroes act. you cut me off about this. 1200 peopleplants, killed, which is owned by a chinese company. the president has been able to sue 40 times. the court saying, what in the world? even the supreme court. host: the idea of business protections for individual businesses. the ones have taken the precautions set by the cdc. hasn't isne that walmart. they have a sign requiring masks but they are letting people in without masks. reckless endangerment. that is what people would be suing for. if a company can be proven to have used reckless endangerment, they can be sued. why would they want to limit people's due process, then talk about it being feckless? how many lawsuits has he lost? perspective from the senate floor, as of yesterday, chuck schumer talking about the effort. [video clip] democrats have con