. >> i mean, david, part of the problem is it was so bad what happened on wednesday, what we all witnessed, the violence, heinous acts of violence. officer brian sicknick is dead. five americans are dead. i mean, look at this! just, it was just so astounding yesterday, david, to hear people like congressman jim jordan say, where's the evidence? i don't know, maybe it's all the trump flags, the trump hats, the hand-to-hand combat that we're watching here. i mean, it looks like scenes out of the civil war, frankly. there was a confederate flag in the background a second ago. it's insane what happened on wednesday. and so, there is a feeling of, okay, so a second impeachment, is that enough for what brought all of this on? >> yeah, it's a good question. and i think a lot of people agree with that. and it's a tricky time to seek that ultimate accountability. you know, this is why -- two things that i think are important. is the president going to try to pardon himself? there's no question that he'll face legal jeopardy. that's the only thing that's gotten him moving, making these other videos, trying to act like an adult, way too late to try to quell the v