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sinner my next guest says it may have not so much to do with prayer and more to do with power catherine stuart is the author of the book the power worshipers inside to the dangerous rise of religious nationalism kathy joins me tonight kevin it's good to have you on the program when we talk about trump's base we're including evangelical christians who share a vision of the u.s. and that vision correct me if i'm wrong here but that vision would render separation of church and state meaningless that's absolutely right christian nationalism is central to an explanation of the crisis that we're seeing in america today you really can't explain how trump came to power and how so many other leaders on the sort of republican side of the political aisle are hostile to democracy unless you know something about this movement. and the attraction to donald trump. it can come from his religious convictions i mean this is a man who has bragged about rarely if ever going to church i mean is this where religious strains merge with those in a culture war in the united states is that what we see. absolutely it's

this comes together and the notion of separation of church and state just yeah goes up in smoke catherine stuart author of the power worshipers inside the dangerous rise of religious nationalism can we appreciate your time in your insights tonight thank you thank you for having me. sure what's the total freight of those thieves hiding in a bunker you will not an admission people taking to the streets and it's a political fact so that it can't be ignored but the main most important one is some of the essence of politics but don't be afraid to take to the streets don't call for me to look out for yourselves and your future. and that was a legacy of all the the kremlin's most vocal critics he has just been jailed for the next 30 days at a hearing that was held in a makeshift court in a moscow police station not only was detained immediately upon returning to russia yesterday he had been right here in germany receiving treatment following a poisoning attack germany has joined many other countries in condemning you know all these arrests a spokesman for german chancellor angela merkel calling the arr