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all right let's introduce our panel joining us from new haven in connecticut jason stanley a professor of philosophy at yale university in the u.s. . from beijing melinda liu the beijing bureau chief for newsweek magazine and from moscow victor only of its lead expert at the center for actual politics think tank welcome to you all jason let me start with you today at a time when democracy is in retreat in so many parts of the world how much of a threat does the attack the transpired on the capital in the us pose to both democracy in the u.s. and democracy around the world well obviously the last 4 years have been terrible for the brand of democracy they have reinforced the the thought of the enemies of democracy that democracy is hypocritical it's a mask in the united states for white supremacy for for naked power grabs and for minority powers and the wealthy to use ultra nationalism in the service of their own glorification and our and yesterday was the hopefully the culmination of that so so i'm hoping that the backlash to yesterday will will will help the brand of democracy rather t

book how fascism works the politics of us and them i'm happy to welcome to the program tonight jason stanley he joins us from new haven in connecticut in the u.s. professor stanley it's good to have you on the program a year ago when the 75th anniversary of the liberation of the auschwitz camp you wrote an article about living in the shadow of al shits talk to me a little bit what did you mean with that well on the one hand you have the unimaginable of that that happened that casts a moral power across the 20th century and nothing is really comparable with that a so growing up with the knowledge about how pent and secondly i meant a shadow a literal shadow that masks the surrounding abounds that led up to it auschwitz is so horrible that the things that made it possible the fact that the world's most advanced society and one of the world's most educated societies led to it makes makes you make masks the things that can lead to it again and it also masks masks events that were similar to it like mass shootings but not exactly it you tweeted earlier today that there's you've been thinking abou