jim baker is about this and he was fired not much longer after that. at the same time, sometimes they get involved in the. >> i ask you to give advice to a president, incoming president especially in respect to how you deal with conflict in the white house. is it necessary? you need to manage it? does it depend on who the president is? what is your advice for president knowing examples from the book would be great. >> is a continuum. on one side, you have no conflict you see in the johnson administration, you hear opposing forces and there are some people at the state department uncomfortable with the vietnam policies and they formed a group to discuss alternative policy options but they were so nervous johnson might find out that they call themselves non- and they met secretly so johnson wouldn't be aware of it take revenge. it's way too much conflict. on the other hand, there's too much conflict and with the ford administration, you have the wild uncontrolled white house and people leaking to the press and not able to trust one another. everyone thin

jim baker was the chief of staff years about this and he's hanging up on the first lady, he says that's not a firing offense, the wealth on reagan was a tank he was fired a month after that so that chief of staff can help quell conflict the sametime sometimes gets involved in conflict . >> if i ask you to give advice to a president, an incoming president especially with respect to how you deal with conflict in the white house, is it a famous adversary? is it good to have a little? does it thatpresident is ? is your four of president really to be able to run a white house well knowing there are these drawn conflicts that you detail in the book some examples from the book the great. >> yes sir. in "fight house" continue. on one side you have no conflict in the johnson nutrition, johnson didn't want to hear avoice in opposing voices on vietnam . he silenced he tries to raise drilling voices and there were people at the state department comfortable with the vietnam policy they formed a group to discuss alternative policy outcomes were so nervous that johnson might find out about this they c

jim baker as chief of staff, the operator, made the white house trains on a tie. in this same. [speaking in native tongue] paper i talked about that did beautiful in the white house between ed meese and baker. baker took all of the logistical pieces the sound less sexy but actually ran the white house effectively. ed meese was the kind of keeper of the ideological plane. he was -- so important in the reagan administration and he tried to make sure they didn't go off the rails ideologically even though baker was more moderate and meese and deaver didn't care about ideological. deaver was an analogy guy. because each had a specific role and even though the might have crossed they didn't step on each other's toes in the specific areas and i think that is important. the other funny thing is, the extent to which they distrusted the other so that always stuck together as a group and other staffers knew that they could get a lot done without those three senior people bother even if they're all of going to reagan and say no one wants have a meeting with reagan without one of the three

jim baker, former secretary of state, used to say the best job in the u.s.nd washington is secretary of state, but a difficult job. is it the best job you have ever had? sec. pompeo: undoubtably. it is a challenging job, but if you have a great team, you can do wonderful things to keep our nation safe. david: as you have now served two point five years as secretary of state and look back on what you have achieved, what are you most proud of as secretary of state? sec. pompeo: we made progress at the state department, creating an ethos, the right people in the right places, built a planning system that will have real value at the state department. the leadership challenge that the secretary of state, a big organization, handing that off to the next is an important one. we have taken on america first, based on strength, realism, respect for other nations and their sovereignty. it is a central understanding, american capacity to do good in the world, do it without putting lots of people in harm's way and deliver on the things that matter. david: as you look bac

bush, and ronald reagan had baker deaver, and then he had jim baker alone, and then he had don reegen, and then he had howard baker and then he had kenny duberstein, and then we changed president and john sununu was chief of staff to george h.w. bush and i had the privilege of serving -- maybe it wasn't a privilege. i had the honor of serving as deputy chief of staff to john sununu. and by the way, this is 100% sincere. he's the most intelligent person i have ever met. his iq is off the charts. sometimes he's not that smart. but he was remarkable to work with, and i learned so much from him. i learned from all of the chiefs of staff that i served under, and i think that's why george w. bush asked me to be his chief of staff because i had worked at the white house under so many i learned from all of them. my goal -- remember the television show "cheers." in "cheers" a bar in bostony].z the theme song was a place where everybody knows your name. and i wanted to be just the opposite of that as chief of staff. john sununu became well-known as chief of staff. jim baker became well-known as

jim baker, former secretary of state, he was in my firm, he used to say the best job in the u.s. washington is secretary of state. but it is a difficult job. is it the best job you have ever would you sayis it the best job you have ever had? sec. pompeo: undoubtably. it's the privilege of a lifetime. it is a challenging job, but if you have a great team here at the state department like i do, you can do great things to keep america to keep our nation safe. , david: as you have now served two and half years as secretary of state and look back on what you have achieved, what are you most proud of as secretary of state? sec. pompeo: we made progress at the state department, creating an ethos, the right people in the right places, built a planning system that will have real value at the state department. i do not talk about those things enough. but the leadership challenge that the secretary of state, a big organization, handing that off to the next secretary of state is an important one. around the world, we have taken on what president trump calls america first, based on strength,

jim baker, former secretary of state, someone i have gotten to know over the years, he was in my firm. he used to say the best job in the united states, best job in washington was secretary of state, but it was a difficult job. would you say it is the best job in washington, the best job you have ever had? sec. pompeo: undoubtably. it's the privilege of a lifetime. it is a challenging job, but if you have a great team at the state department like i do, you can do wonderful things to protect america and to keep our nation safe. david: as you have now served 2.5 years as secretary of state and look back on what you have achieved, what are you most proud of as secretary of state? sec. pompeo: internally here, i think we have made some real progress at the state department. we created anything for our team, we made sure we had the right -- created an ethos for our team, we made sure we had the right people in the right places, built a planning system that will have real value at the state department. the leadership challenge that the secretary of state, a big organization, handing that of

being obliged to make because of the fact these chinese regime has taken a different turn to the one jim bakerthers followed in the years at the beginning of the century. francine: how do you see the crackdown on alibaba. are they seen as an extensional threat to beijing? >> i suspect in beijing's eyes i think it is -- i think he got too big for their boots. they have so much money invested they became competitors to i think state banks in china and critical of the regulators. to borrow a phrase this will be regarded as emergency by the chinese regime. i suspect jack ma is lucky he hasn't been locked up unlike others who criticized the chinese government. this is a brutal government. one which is taking advantage of the pandemic which it is partly responsible for taking advantage of the chaos in washington. francine: what should the international governments actually do? are there any further actions that will be helpful? >> there are and it's not enough to conduct your diplomacy with china through a megaphone and you have to distinguish between the chinese communist party and the chinese peop

the president said, send secretary jim baker over to talk to the iraqis. we didn't want to war. -- we did not want a war. we wanted saddam to give that land back to kuwait. we did not want to avoid a war. david: at the time there were predictions, when the senate was voting whether we should go to war that we would have 10,000 american casualties. how many did we ultimately get? secretary powell: 400, and two of them were accidents, injuries -- 200 of them were accidents, injuries. some of the big shots in washington were saying, 15,000, 20,000. a number of experts, but i knew it would not be that large. i couldn't be sure. we thought maybe it would be around 5000. it turned out to be 300 or so military casualties, and of those, 200 killed by accidents. david: there's something called the powell doctrine, which says if you are going to go to war, have a massive number of troops. is it fair to call it the powell doctrine? secretary powell: except for one thing. it was the invention of a reporter. the reporter came to see me when i was chairman. we had just

walking along the beach and find yourself in a very scary situation live right now near marshall's be jim baker beach i've seen and witnessed a rescue hear from someone who was just hiking along the coast. so it doesn't have to be someone who surfing or swimming it could very well be someone who's just hiking along the bluffs and all the sudden trips or a wave catches them. i know a lot of people like to go to baker beach and walk to the very end near those rocks and that's a very dangerous spot when the waves get very intense as i said 22 foot waves are expecting in over the weekend we saw a very devastating story coming out of sonoma county where a family just playing at the beach, they weren't even going swimming there's playing along the beach, you know you play tag with the waves and unfortunately, one of those waves caught that family and those 2 kids are still missing now as we know the father died he drowned there. >>and the mother had to call 911, i mean just a devastating story that's why coastguards putting out this morning telling everyone to be extra cautious officials at the coast

also spent a great deal of time talking to my predecessors along the mostly republicans, frankly, jim baker, henry kissinger and george schultz. really thinking about were the kinds of issues that needed to be dealt with. and by the way, i always love telling the story to.o baker invited me to it come to texas. i said it was my first foreign trip a secretary of state's. but it was really important in order to show how to secretary of taste, former secretary can work together. also the importance of domesticf issue on foreign policy in terms of our relationship with mexico for instance or a variety of trade issues. the other part, and i really do believe this, is that america is a country of diverse populations in a number of different ways. and i found as an immigrant myself, that there are various ethnic groups that do have an interest in what is happening in their former country. they are a natural base for understanding the domestic issues of foreign policy. there are also issues that are very specifically she traveled around is to understand how the industry of a particular industry and

first, we have new jim baker. now, when the united states answers the war, one of the first things that they do is mobilize the national guard. state and local officials are now concerned that once the national guard is gone, they no longer have heavy muscle to deal with civil disturbances. so, to deal with this, newton baker on his own passes the doctrine of direct access. what that says is, at any point in time, a state or local official can go to the nearest army post and ask the army officer in charge for details of soldiers to help them deal with domestic disorders. now, there is a problem with this. first of all, the constitution in the insurrection act lays down, various specific types steps at the president, not the circular war, the president must go through before he can put american troops on american streets. by the way, he is also directly contravene-ing the act which keeps american soldiers from being used as a police force domestically. the postmaster general, albert, is also using congressional lev

. >> jim baker, somebody i've got to know over the years, he used to say the best job in the u.s.y of state. but it is a difficult job. would you say it is the best job in washington? >> the privilege of a lifetime. it is a challenging job. you can do wonderful things to protect america, keep our nation safe. david: you have served 2.5 years as secretary of state. what would you say you are most proud of having achieved? >> internally, we have made some real progress at the state department. we make sure we had the right people in the right places, a planning system that will have real value as the years go on. the leadership challenge of being secretary of state building out a large organization and handing it off to the next secretary of state is an important one. it is based on restraint and realism and respect for other nations and their sovereignty. it is a central understanding of america capacity to do good in the world and do it without putting lots of people in harm's way, to deliver on the things that matter. david: as you look back on your tenure, what would you say is

. >> jim baker, former secretary of state, he was in my firm, he used to say the best job in the u.s.ington is secretary of state. but it is a difficult job. you say it is the best job you have ever had? mike: undoubtedly it is the privilege of a lifetime. and it is a challenging job, but one that if you have a great time here like i do, you can do wonderful things to protect america and keep our nation safe. david: as you have now served about a little more than 2.5 years as secretary of state and you look back on what you have achieved, what would you say you are most proud of having achieved as secretary of state? mike: internally we have made real progress at the state department. we created an ethos for our team . we had the right people in the right places. we built out a planning system here that i think will have real value as the years go on here at the state department. i do not talk about those things enough, but the leadership challenge of building out a big organization and handing that off to the next secretary of state is an important one. around the world we have taken

it's jim baker, and i says, here, hang on for the veep. it is george bush.ow. 4:00, we're going introduce you. show up at spanish plaza. i say where in the heck is the spanish plaza? he said well, i don't really know, but this is your first assignment. don't screw it up. >> george bush clearly decided this was the day for the news. >> i knew he was very punctual, so i said i got to be there right at 4:00 so they can introduce me. i'm driving around. we get there at 20 to four. it's too early. ten minutes to four, i go to the spanish plaza and i get out of the car and i turn the corner to go down to where i'm supposed to be, and there is like 5,000 people. and i go oh, my gosh. how in the heck am i going to get through that crowd? >> quayle, a defense hard-liner, popular on the republican right seemed thunderstruck and understandably nervous. he had arrived barely in time to hear bush's words. >> i'll never forget somebody about halfway through gives me a big elbow in the solar plexus. almost knocked my breath out. excuse me. i said i'm senator dan quayle. i

>> you went to work in the white house for jim baker. you were the first political director? >> no, i was the last political director. >> and your next guest, jim rollins was the first. >> where were you? >> i started as intergovernmental liason. i think they just wanted someone that had been there. we finished out pretty strong. reagan finishes his term, his second term, as one of the most popular presidents. >> it was a lot of people under 25 considered themselves republicans because of the reagan presidencies. that is one of the few times that has ever happened. i went around the country with him in it was like a big curtain call. the crowds were enormous. and i think it contributed a lot to the campaign. >> was it all clear, was there ever any doubt that he would run for reelection? he is not by hinkley, the secret service is monitoring other threats. >> i think there was some hesitancy. he was 73 years old. there was an assassination attempt, and you can understand when you have given enough to the country, but i think the raw political argument is mr. president, if you d

[laughs] >> you went to work in the white house for jim baker, james the third, you were the first politicalrector. >> no i was the last political director. your next guest was the first political director. >> okay, all right. but where were you? >> i started off at the inter governmental and public liaison. i did that the first term. and then i left the white house when baker left, but i came back the last two years as political director and inter governmental affairs. that was during iran contra. i think they wanted some people that had been there. for some stability, so i try to do that. so we finished up pretty strong. reagan finishes his term, his second term has is one of the most popular presidents. >> some polls had him over 76%. it's probable ironically among under 30 voters was higher than it was in the rest of the population. >> believe it or not, the polar abductee of the youngest voters was under 25 considered themselves republicans. as a result of the reagan presidency. it's one of the few times that's ever happened. but i went around the country with him in 1988 where he wasn'

>> you went to work in the white house for jim baker, james a. iii. and you were the first political director? >> no, i was the last political director. >> i got it reversed. >> your next guest, ed rollins, was the first political director. >> where were you? >> i started off in intergovernmental and public liaison. >> right. >> and i did that the first term, and then i left the white house when baker left. but i came back the last two years at political director and intergovernmental affairs. and that was during iran contra. i think they wanted maybe some people that had been there. >> some stability. >> some stability, so i tried to do that. >> yeah. >> so, we finished up pretty strong. reagan finishes his second term as one of the most popular presidents. >> yes, yeah. some polls had him with approval rating of 76%. >> you know, that -- >> and his approval, ironically, under 30 voters was higher than the rest of the population. >> that is true. believe it or not the plurality of youngest voters i think was under 25 considering themselves republican

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baker. former u.s. senator now an msnbc news and nbc political analyst claire mccaskill and jim vandehei. it was painful to watch but had to be done, joe. republicans who seemed to be able to stand up to trump in a way that many others have not. to his face and to the camera. >> well, the thing is they're republicans, life long republicans, they support donald trump. they supported donald trump and they have been elected as -- >> but they also support facts. >> as officials of donald trump and we are actually starting to see a split finally in the republican party between those who are willing to actually work to engage in the president's attempt at sedition against the united states of america and undermining american democracy and those republicans, some in the senate who would go up to the line, but pull back at the last second decided that maybe, just maybe sedition and treason against the united states may not be a good way to finish out the term. but willie, the president's -- >> my god. >> the president's claims are beyond outrageous. he's picked them up from the sewers of the inte

and ronald reagan had a troy baker, then he had jim baker alone, then he had don regan. then he had howard baker. then he had kenny debris skin. then we changed presidents and john sununu was chief of staff for president h.w. bush. i had the honor of serving as deputy chief of staff to john sununu. by the way, this is 100% sincere. he's the most in trilogy and person i have ever met. his iq is off the charts. -- he's the most intelligent person i have ever met. i learned so much from him. i think that's why george w. bush asked me to be his step, because i had worked at the white house under so many fabulous chiefs of staff and learn from all of them. my goal, remember the television show cheers? well, and cheers, a bar in boston, and the theme song was a place where everybody knows your name. i wanted to be just the opposite of that as chief of staff. john sununu became well known as chief of staff. jim baker became well-known. don regan became well-known. i wanted to be a chief of staff where nobody knew his name. i wanted to be all the other stars of the administration