we're speaking with michael eric dyson and waleed shahid.dering, waleed shahid, if you can talk about what went on behind the scenes for the biden appointment? a few people have insight into the inner workings. if you feel the progressives have an upper hand here and now with this series of executive orders that are going to be issued today, everything from stop funding the wall to, well, not an executive order, but the eight-year immigration plan that says the 11 million people here undocumented, there will be an eight year plan for citizenship. some are saying with the democrats controlling the presidency, the senate, the house, why does he go to eight years? >> yeah, i am not happy with the appointments that joe biden has made. i think it is largely the appointments, while they're on the whole better than the appointment is the obama administration made, for example, rahm emanuel did not receive an appointment from this administration, people ke timothy geithner are, arne duncan -- some of the most hostile forces to progressives in the ob

michael eric dyson.r, distinguished professor of african-american studies at vanderbilt university. author of the new book "long time coming." reckoning with race in america. good to see you, brother. >> great to see you, my man. >> are we reckoning? >> we are to a degree. after the death of george floyd for the first time many white brothers and sisters began to grapple seriously with moving from the ideal of liberal resistance or conservative complicity with structures of society that would help the race problem to getting involved in the streets. many white brothers and sisters were removed of any excuse, were absolved in one sense of any intention to avoid the racial issue head on. when george floyd lay on that ground begging to breathe begging for the knee to be removed from him it was an irresistible metaphor for african-american people who felt the knee of america had been on their necks collectively. but many white people said, look. there are no more excuses. he wasn't running. he wasn't shoutin

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months ago that this sets a standard for us to appeal to as we navigate the future. >> professor michael eric dysonwe appreciate you being with us this morning. happy new year to you. thanks for being part of this discussion with us over the last year. we look forward to more discussions like this in the months to come. >> thank you so very much. ♪ >>> early in the pandemic world renowned chelist yo-yo ma published videos like this on social media with hopes to give solace no those suffering from loss and pain. these songs inspire his new album "songs of hope" yo-yo ma joins us now. as i was saying to alisyn one of the highlights of last year was when you came on the show early on and really helped us in a way calm our nerves and heal when we were suffering so much in the early stage of this pandemic. i guess in some ways it's not a surprise because what you know better than anyone about music is music does have that power to heal and almost give us a hug. >> it's true, john. i think from our conversation just before getting on air, you know, i think we have our public selves, the selves that we pr

a tremendous week of literary celebration and we are very grateful to isabel wilkerson and michael eric dyson with us

joining me now is michael eric dyson. dr.on, you have said for a long time now the preeminent public interbe elect you'll scholar of this generation and you've come out with this book at this time and you trace the history of racism in america and address many victory of systemic racism and police brutality, many of whom happened within this past year. what inspired to you quite a book that takes this deep dive into what is america's original sin? >> thank you so much, reverend sharpton, for your kind words, from the greatest leader we have today. i was inspired after the death of george floyd and breonna taylor and ahmad ashbury to the commitment of the nation to ending systemic racism, challenging anti-blackism and take up the call of anti-racism and understand how of we can reckon with race in the aftermath of those tragedies. in the 1990s they talked about a sindemic, the pandemic of race under one hand and the pandemic of the global virus on the other. while we were enduring the global virus, we are an eruption and outbr

a tremendous week of literary celebration and we are very grateful to isabel wilkerson and michael eric dyson with us tonight. i would like to say one thing, show the love by purchasing their books in the link below. they are authors with books after all, and i'm going to turn over now to both of them to continue the conversation. thank you very much. >> thank you very kindly. i'm honored to be here today with a woman who is among the 304 greatest writers in america, arguably the finest writer in america today. -- three or four -- i'm going to make that argument. it is an extraordinary honor to be with you, ms. isabel wilkerson and to have this opportunity to chat with you. they're calling it a conversation but i'm just going to and without, and as they say in the hood, ask you some questions if we can steam at some conversation. a remarkable book to be certain. i want to begin with a kind of conceptual inquiry, if you will. so in "the warmth of other suns" you take a massive movement and mobilization of black people from the south out, a kind of intra-american dias bro, if you will. in a way

. >> joining me, bishop william barber, co-chair of the people's campaign, and michael eric dyson, authoroning with race in america. dr. dyson, i have to make you refer to the bishop. he ranks higher this instance. i will defer further, go first to the bishop. bishop barber, we have to defer. so bernice king had a tweet i thought was perfect because all of the republicans are out here, let me quote the 1963 march on washington speech. i have a dream. they all are quoting it. she said please don't act like everyone loved my father. he was assassinated. 1967 poll found he was one of the most hated in america. many that quote him now and evoke him to deter justice may already hate the authentic king. it annoys me that he is used. what are your thoughts? >> notice they never quote the agenda of march on washington, $2 minimum wage, $15 today, and complete and full civil rights act. we must be honest, can't deal with innocence. what we saw happen at the capitol two weeks ago is the result of a long history, many corporate leaders, republican politicians and religious nationalists have sewn pol

every now and again michael eric dyson's book but books are now selling and people are interested ineople are invested in people are engaged, thinking, studying, reg upon life. it is beautiful and then it disappears. it's beautiful because white people say we will make a difference and they are having blackouts on social media and black lives matter inscribed on their building and they take it seriously at places of work we are committed will give budgets and money. been a baptist preacher 41 year years. in the loved ones of those who have died are paid attention to flowers come to them. we have a funeral i'm sorry for your loss. the hardest part is two or three months later when all the cards and flowers are gone the empathy has dissipated and there is no wonder to do with the heart and the trauma that you enjoy that is a black america is white america attended the funeral they expressed outrage and for at the fact but now six months later, these things have disappeared. the only way we can reckon i'm not saying the reckoning is here but it must come and that is like conversion talk

host: john, what resonated with you from what michael eric dyson said? caller: he was kind of touching on white supremacy and things like that. we all live in the real world. we all walked these streets every day, east coast, west coast, midwest. it don't matter. people interact with each other all the time, and i do not really see this white supremacy nonsense they be talking about. racism is there, but on a day-to-day basis, everybody try to do the right thing, try to be respectful, but whether you are in a job and there is somebody discriminating or just favoritism or nepotism, just everything in there, but these are things people have to deal with, struggles people internally have to deal with. the way he describes it, it makes it seem like there are these nazis running on the country -- running around the country. it is ridiculous. i respect michael eric dyson wholeheartedly, but just like anything, i agree to disagree. host: sean in new york. jack dorsey, ceo of twitter, went to his platform to defend his decision to ban the former president from t

michael eric dyson joins us now. the author of the book "long time coming." america. . >> thank you so much for being with us. tell me, michael, what would st. paul tell us on this martin luther king day? >> well, thanks for having me. i'm at vanderbilt now. so i'm grateful to announce to you that we are members of the same tribe. >> love it. i think st. paurl would say to us, don't think that you are unique in a way that god has shined special favor on you when you continue to portray to your citizens and to yourselves in the mirror of self reflection a hideous rejection, repudiation of the very principles you change are the predicate of your nation. if you claim that democracy is real, if you claim that sharing resources is real, if you claim that justice is real, how can you deny it to the very members of your society who most deserve it? and when we look at the capitol, we see a group of people enraged. and let's be honest, one of the princes of american journalist david remnick was just on your show speaking about something we have to grapple with. that i

. >> michael eric dyson, author of "long time coming.action to what we heard from amanda gorman. >> oh, the majesty of her language, the transcendent beauty, ethical clarity, moral compulsion to be unified and to embrace the other but to tell the truth from within. often trauma is the anvil on which we hammer out the decisions we make and the kinds of commitments we will adopt and because that trauma occurred, she then on january 6th at the capitol, that inspired her to poetry some it inspired to anger, some it inspired to righteous indignation but she took up a pen and in that pen wielded and leveraged the moral authority of her people and the democratic impulses of this nation to really lift us up. it was a beautiful and inspiring moment >> it was for me she gave me light. michael, the president has set the expectation he can help unify the country. what do you see that looking like >> well, look, just standing up and doing what he did. delivering a lincolnesque meets aug augustan speech moving forward still dmermd a steely sort of way