well let's bring in our guest now joining us from nicosia in cyprus we have and ras theophanous he's the president of the cyprus center for european and international affairs in rome we have natalie tajik she's the director of the institute of international affairs and a former advisor to for that he commodity any the european union's foreign affairs chief and in london we have gallup the lie he's a researcher at the university of oxford welcome to you or so perhaps i could start with andreas and ask the question do you think this round of talks will succeed andrea as well we should who'd be optimistic in that sense but even taking into consideration uncle. and also to the stated positions on the u.c. shoes. relations as well as the secretary he would be very hesitant to express optimism let me say that the differences between the 2 countries you know. before you do that let me jump in and ask this question the fact that they have started talking is that a success in itself is it something of a success it is a turkish perspective which is this needs to be sorted out in bilateral talk