that is the relationship between pwi and hbcu. i live in wisconsin. obviously a pwi. i have been speaking with colleagues for years across the nation and i have always tried to counteract what i call the elitist attitude of some pwi's that hbcus are less than they are from a research and academic tier. that was the discussion for years, if you want to be honest about >> having said that, a number of things happened that start to erode that thinking. katrina. hidden figures. at least they did watch the film, right? an understanding that these hbcu's produced in the medical field, attorneys, mathematicians, astrophysicists. an understanding that at pwi's, the diversity of the faculty is not there. now come the discussion on many pwi's is, how do we partner with hbcu's, and in some partners -- some corners it is not about partnering, but about coaching. -- poaching. my question would be what advice would you give to pwi's who seek to partner with hbcu's, particularly around their approach and their intent? thank you. >> since i'm in the midst of this on a daily basis, le