roger mcnamee of elevation partners is still with us. r, it is incredible to see president biden in the oval office being president dent already making big changes. do you believe president biden can unify this country? roger: emily, there are huge challenges to do so, but that is his goal. that is his commitment. and most of the country, the majority of americans, want to work together to make the world a better place. i think he wants to get more distance from the trump years. and even people who used to support president trump will begin to see that the times of name-calling that -- the kinds of name-calling that took place, children in cages that the border, all those things were performative hate, and there is no place in america for that kind of stuff. biden is going to exemplify qualities most americans like to see in our country. so i am very hopeful that given time, he will do that. but he has got to be able to succeed against covid and he has got to be able to get the economy in a place where people are less stressed out and the

roger mcnamee goodell, nfl commissioner, crashed a virtual meeting of hospital workers yesterday andold them they are getting free super bowl tickets. >> be our guest at the super bowl. i don't know if -- >> oh, my god. >> i don't know if that means you accept. >> yes, yes, yes! >> we do! >> we accept. >> oh, my gosh! >> i was thinking, oh, my goodness, i can't wait to call my dad and tell him i i i roger mcnam roger goodell today. i was so excited. >> you could see it in their faces. how could you not be excited. the employees work in sarasota not far from tampa where the game will be played february 7th. they will be among the 22,000 fans allowed at the super bowl. >>> there is some fresh snow on the ground in the sierra but it has been a fairly dry saturday. tomorrow though a winter weather advisory goes into effect. the area is expected to get slammed with snow in the coming days. levels above 3,000 feet will get 4 to 7 inches of snow. drivers should prepare for difficult travel conditions. >>> well, here at home some sunny weather now, but that storm is coming, drew. >> yes, and

we spoke to roger mcnamee who said biden has no choice. he cannot avoid tech reform.he question is what it looks like. what are signals we got from biden on the campaign trail? i know he took some actions on facebook, made some critical remarks, but it was not necessarily a distinct fear. austin: yes. it was not as concrete or aggressive as the elizabeth warren wing of the party in terms of talking about breaking up big tech companies. biden talked generally about the arrogance that silicon valley has. he really focuses a lot of his criticism on what he calls abuses of power by social media platforms, reserving a lot of ire for mark zuckerberg and facebook. the most specific thing he talked about was him supporting a repeal of section 230, which is the legal shield that protects internet companies from liability of content published on those platforms. so, yeah, the question remains though, will that be something they actually pursue more seriously in the coming months with covid-19 being such a focus of the administration? or will that take in the longer to get to? l

in addition to what he has written about, many of you know that roger mcnamee so often appears on thisor of "zuck." he wrote platforms have to pay for their role in the insurrection. he said internet platforms have prioritized their own profits and priorities over democracy and the health and safety of people who use their products. mcnamee goes on to say they're very often created by people who have no incentive to precipitate, much less prevent harms. it's encouraged the development of a predatory ecosystem with platforms, users, and politicians alike. i was quoting from mcnamee's cart kl article in "wired." we saw the manifestation on wednesday right here at the capitol. >> well, you were asking about whether banning trump is a good idea. i think it's an important move, but i think we have to extremely careful right now because we are witnessing the splintering of society in real time. twitter was banned -- trump was banned on twitter and facebook. fringe conservatives are orchestrating a mass exodus to parler and rumble. mark levine and russ limbaugh have suspended their accounts a

we heard roger mcnamee saying they're as responsible as other platforms.ttle bit about this, saying starting today any channels posting new videos with false claims in violation of our policies will now receive a strike and so forth. are they going to be under more pressure >> i do think all of these companies are going to be under more pressure, kelly to the point of your last question, i think what's really important here is these are companies, they can set their own rules. they are not public utilities. they can set their own rules what's important is they show that they enforce those rules. consistently what they're showing -- what facebook is showing with this move today is that president trump is so much in violation of its rules that they believe this is a necessary step in order to secure the safety of the platform what i think we'll see going forward is, perhaps, more pressure on these companies to make sure they're enforcing the rules fully. it's hard in whack-a-mole situations to pull down content instantaneously. youtube, facebook, instagram h

you mentioned roger mcnamee, he was also a source for me. in fact i encouraged him to write his suck. i connected him with andrew whiteley en masse. it's interesting because when i first met roger, he was going out into the media. roger was for those that don't know have him, he was a venture capitalist and a seed investor and tech companies and sort of an early mentor to mark. and elevation has a stake, or it was through elevation maybe? >> and then roger investor personally and elevation. >> that's right. >> roger benefited greatly from it in no way initially that his company had not. >> so it's interesting, so he was out talking really against his own book at that stage to the media. in saying, look i became concerned free 2016 about what i was saying on facebook. i felt there was something wrong here. i went, he apparently wrote a letter to mark and cheryl, and he kind of sort of like you know this is like your kindly uncle coming to you and saying hey guys i think we have a little bit of a problem. apparently, they went very corporate pr

roger mcnamee joins me now. you're the author of zuct, waking up to the facebook catastrophe.ing with twitter. what do you think of twitter's move? >> so, pamela, i think the key thing to keep in mind is that inciting insurrection against one of the branches of government, in this case the congress, at an event where the vice president and the next two people in the chain of succession to the president were all in attendance, a violent insurrection, that that is the greatest crime any president could possibly commit. i mean, in the old days it almost certainly would have been a capital crime. the notion that we're focused on what he's saying about twitter in my mind is actually misplaced. this could not be a more serious offense if it tried. and i think twitter banning trump is literally the bare minimum that they could have done and these other tech giants taking action against the enablers of what trump did here is literally the bare minimum. our democracy is hanging on by a thread. and internet platforms have played a huge role in putting us here and it's really long past t

you see critics like roger mcnamee saying we should look at the code and stopping viral problems, thato something. i don't know whether it's a commission that does it. i don't know whether you support other kinds of changes but i think you've got to do something to limit misinformation spread on the social media platforms. i don't think you can hide behind -- >> how do you do it in real time honestly, we all talk about what we wish could happen, but the reality is you have to create algorithms effectively sometimes what you see and i see, i can read the sentence, i can read a sentence we can read them differently that's not an excuse at all for some of the terrible things i've seen online. i think that's part of the issue in this country right now. >> yeah. so i think the three things if you were going to think about immediate things, i think ben has written about this a little bit, you've seen in the report, you would set up a commission that would look at the various social media algorithms and look at their ability to limit misinformation number two, you'd cause them to do more tagg