william robinson distinguished professor of sociology at the university of california in santa barbara it was a great discussion thank you very much for joining us thank you so much for having me on. now there's been a huge shock around the world that such events can play out in a country that presents itself as the leader of the free world earlier maria phenomena joins me to talk through the global reaction to the unrest in d.c. . world is schalk washing what is happening in washington d.c. but more it and said at the same time because things have been developing on the ground in the american capital very violently and it's not every day that we see things like this happen in a democratic country it's not every day that we see hundreds of supporters storming the federal building interrupting the very important meeting debate over so define the election presidential election. and it's not every day that we see vice president evacuated and the whole senate temper evacuated the national guard on the ground the world has been worried about what's going on in america not only in the last c

year campaign, organized by justice marshall and his colleagues, walter white and sponsored robinson and williamcomplishment no question. but most of his career, up until the time he went on the court, first the second circuit in new york and then the supreme court, the mid-60s. president johnson -- was spent defending blacks accused of rape or murder, usually a white victim and a black defendant in the deep south, and he took his philosophy his hands almost every time that he went from new york down there to defend those cases. his life was threatened and almost lost on more than one occasion help was about to be lynched when a sheriff's deputy came along and broke up the party. there were times -- he couldn't stay at a hotel, he would stay with families in well-hidden places. he was the bravest person i've ever known. and i doubt i'll ever meet anybody else like it. >> that's a beautiful memory and just a reminder of his impact and his bravery. the last question is you had a chance to work in the reagan administration you met president reagan, very incarcerate and dear to the hearts of the eff