professionals something we'll look at on tomorrow's show 1st i spoke to as the shape director of the azure institute about whether or not the exit strategies of the u.k. and israel are realistic so i think basically it is one of 2 approaches one is to try to eradicate the virus completely sometimes called a coded 0 strategy i think the other one the one i think is much more realistic is the assumption that the virus is now here with those it's an endemic so what we have to do is try and live with the virus which means that there will be some restrictions in place over the longer term periodically relaxed. and but basically it's a long term strategy where we recognize that the virus is in our midst long term in the sense of forever. yeah i mean i think potentially just like we have with influenza influenza hits every season and every year periodic leave there are a pandemic. but what we have is a way has been actually living with it trying to balance you know the ability to. minimise any social restrictions whilst. also trying to minimize any. oversea or mortality associated with the virus so as thes