in general, mr cole hamilton, the first division association of civil servants have written on severalor obvious reasons and i would say in this committee's defence, i have not seen that. maybe it one or two sessions that. maybe it one or two sessions that i didn't see. i am merely saying that because something is said and written to you, it does not make it true. and i am quite sure you would take issue yourself with what the... and notjust them, but the representing members and the best way to the can. i am saying that this is a dangerous road to go down and the point has been made with the issues at stake are here and i think would be a good idea for us all to concentrate on these issues as opposed to trying to take it into more personal stuff. flan issues as opposed to trying to take it into more personal stuff. can i “ust it into more personal stuff. can i just make _ it into more personal stuff. can i just make very — it into more personal stuff. can i just make very clear _ it into more personal stuff. can i just make very clear at - it into more personal stuff. can i just make

the first respondent is james dink ins who is former executive associate director of i.c.e. hsi, homeland security investigations, which is one of the two main divisions of i.c.e. before that he was special agent in charge for i.c.e. in the washington office, and he'll be talking about the agency's counterterrorism activities in latin america involving these smuggling networks bringing what are called special interest aliens, in other words, people from countries where terrorism is a real problem in the middle east and elsewhere through mexico and into the united states. our next speaker will be norman townsend, 30-year retired now 30 year veteran of the federal bureau of investigation and he was headed a unit during that time where the interrogated special interest aliens caught on the southern border to collect intelligence about the possible terrorism connections and various human smuggling networks that would bring people through this very long path to the mexican border. and finally, eddie dolan, retired from i.c.e.'s office of intelligence and analysis, and served for many years in pan mo m city -- panama city about as the regional attache in ce

division overseeing joe biden's son criminal investigations. of all the people, that joe biden picked, on his very first day in office is nicholas mcquaid, who has a close associationith hunter biden's lawyers, they work together on white collar criminal defense cases, whether or not to defend -- to defend hunter biden, no one is saying, this is a flagrant conflict of interest. in violation of department of justice rules and recession -- regulations at the least it creates the appearance of i'm pro priority. when you have that is is mandatory that you disqualify yourself. and yet we heard nothing about mcquaid recuses himself. this is why i was so critical of bill barr recusing. >> thank you greg. let's look at the anatomy of that start with the recusal that you pointed out. is mandatory. when would you expect to see that happen should that have already happened in and what pressure can anyone put on mcquaid to recuse himself. >> it should have been instantly, only pressure now applied by the senate judiciary with a strong letter demanding mcquaid recuse himself and officially on the record. that is about the only way that -- that you can get a situation in which.