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mandalay and for security reasons he is wishing to remain anonymous so i'm just going to call him sam sam welcome to the program what's happening where you are. yes i'm kelly i'm mentally. well earlier today there was a large crowd there on or to the protester in a street and i saw. the police are using water cannons and tear gas to disperse the crowd. right off. another group will vote with their house gather to again protest. ok and protesting we have to say despite warnings from the military are you and other protesters worried about a crackdown from the military and we have some reports of shots fired at protesters and one female protester killed in the capital what have you been hearing. yes there has for a guard well or. in these groups so. the police shot at the. largely peaceful protesters that were just. standing and just standing on the street and apparently i'm very and one person has died and at least 3 has been injured and emotionally. more than a 100 people has been detained and arrested by the police. apparently for obvious reasons i'm not are currently inside the protests

sam sam the military has banned gatherings and mandalay and threaten to take further action against us traitors tell us what's going on on the streets where you are. so i'm actually standing behind a large demonstration taking place right now in mandalay. destroying. the people who was arrested by the police for trusting and people here are demanding their immediate release. has there been any of violence against these protesters so far. no not at all it has happened yet. there's a launch number of police here and they also have water cannons and other. well yes i you worry about further crackdown a harder crackdown from the military. yeah. so basically the military has never been you know scared to make people. aware. they are going to continue on making people fear and i'm. afraid sooner or later do it they will resort to violence. so how far you and all the other activists are willing to take these these protests. to b.n. because this is an acceptable business not lawful and this can't happen ever again so. we are going to read all this evil. but do you see any possibility for compromise to be arranged with a military government. then i do not see any country was. over we are not going to you know. how again. we as a people have determined that we're not going to. the been. reduced to sign. sam and activist and mandalay protesting the military coup that thank you very much for your time. thank you very much. to the u.s. now donald trump's lawyers are condemning today's start of his impeachment trial as an act of quote political theater set to get on the way later the former president will stand trial before the senate accused of inciting the deadly riot at the u.s. capitol on january 6th it is his 2nd impeachment trial democrats say they have overwhelming evidence of his guilt and side many legal scholars who say the trial is valid under the constitution senate leaders have agreed on a rap it's time table democrats are determined to hold the former president accountable for the violence each on the u.s. capitol while republicans are calling the trial absurd and unconstitutional the stock divide between the 2 sides is every bit as obvious among ordinary americans steve w. washington bureau chief in a sport has this report. it's been over 2 months since election day but trump

mandalay and for security reasons he is wishing to remain anonymous so i'm just going to call him sam sam welcome to the program what's happening where you are. yes i'm totally i'm mentally. well earlier today there was a large crack down to the protester in a street and i saw. the police are using water cannons and tear gas to disperse the crowd and right now. another group of large protests there has gather to again protest. ok and protesting we have to say despite warnings from the military are you and other protesters worried about a crackdown from the military and we have some reports of shots fired at protesters and one female protester killed in the capital what have you been hearing. yes then you have spread like wildfire. in facebook so. the police showed up to. be peaceful protesters that were just. stunning to me on the streets and fairly i'm very proud of one person has died at least 3 has been injured and emotionally. more than a 100 people has been detained and arrested by the police and probably for obvious reasons i'm not only inside the protests but are right close to the

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sam dewey. sam, more declassified documents show just how flagrant and far-ranging the fbi was or in order to wiretap the campaign. let's break it down. reporter john solomon say he's got -- he's read a declassified fisa wiretap that shows the fbi justified secretly spying on carter page merely because they believed carter page was going to, behind the media a to tout a book that he was going to write and carter page was defending his innocence in the media about working, you know, trump-russia collusion. he's saying there's no there there. so that's good enough to get a fisa wiretap? >> no, it's not. it should be and it's indicative of the fact that the system broke down here. there's supposed to be checks and safeguards against this type of abuse, and every single one either failed, or it appears as we see more and more of the documents was deliberately evaded by those entities who were seeking the warrants. and perhaps, you know, we really haven't seen that side of the story, but one does wonder should the court have done more at the time to question these and should the court be doing more now to question these findings. elizabeth: yeah. john durham also has his criminal probe of the trump-russia probe, and it's about keeping and reserving and protecting the integrity of a fisa court that's meant to stop terrorist attacks on the u.s. it's not meant to be used in poll techs. so here's the thing -- politics. we read through the documents and we see constantly the fbi using the words we believe or the belief is. so is speculation enough to get a wiretap in we thought you needed proof for probable cause in order to spy on somebody. so there was no proof that carter page was a russian asset or trump was a russian asset, just a lot of speculation in the documents. that's good enough to violate someone's civil liberties and spy on them and whoever else they're talking to? >> no, it isn't good enough to have a belief. the papers that we've seen were couched in specific beliefs that pointed to certain pieces of evidence that turned out to either be fabricated or to be portrayed in a misleading light. and that's, that's what i alluded to earlier when i was saying the various safeguards kind of broke down as the process went forward. but, no, just because the fbi, you know, has some belief, that isn't enough to get any sort of warrant and certainly not enough of to get this type of warrant9 from this court which is reserved for surveillance of foreign nationals. as, you know, it's the foreign intelligence surveillance act. it's supposed to be focused on foreign nationals. elizabeth: so -- right. so, you know, they went for more than a year on this, months and months, not coming up with anything, no proof, no evidence, no intercept as john solomon points out, no sources, no documents that carter page was doing anything to do, to collude with russia, nor was trump doing that. so when they didn't have the goods, they started to say the words we believe something is going on again and again. how is john durham going to weigh that in the balance? >> well, i think he's going to look at, he's going to have each time someone made representation what were the facts before them. and where did those facts come from, what did they know about those facts. very importantly here, what should they have known about those facts given their duty to gather facts given their position. and then he's going to ask based on all of that were the representations they made consistent with the law. and it's the a very painstaking process because he has to go line by line, point by point and at each discreet point in time. but that's what he's going to do. elizabeth: all right. that's what he's going to do, and we'll see what happens. we're going to stay on this story. and, samack in with your insights and perspective and knowledge. sam dewey, you're always terrific. thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you very much. elizabeth: okayful we're coming into the bottom of the hour. you're watching the fox business network. coming up, young americans for

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sam welcome sam this 5th day of protests that does seem more peaceful than yesterday what have you been saying. today the protests has been largely peaceful and the protesters are. avoiding the police so that you know no conflict has taken place and right now i can see that i do see that people are. lining where the police are stationed and we are gathering. in all the t.v.'s of other cities to peacefully protest right so given that these protests are banned i suppose that's part of the game isn't it you get if the police are in one place you have to go somewhere else and presumably the it sounds like the police are leaving you alone then yes largely the police has been leaving us alone but. there are i want to talk about one thing that is important so and as a position group that is support that's a positive military and they have been trying to make conflict speech or a. peaceful protesters and. police so to do they are seeing people who they're carrying saw and and other things like that turns and slingshots and trying to just sort of the pieces. right now police yesterday that they did seems like a much higher ally protesters were injured at least one woman was reportedly shot if that part of why he was staying out of the way yes so that's night the woman actually died because she wasn't dead no one u.s. rushed into the hospital bed the doctors declared she was brain dead so. the family choose to let her go in peace and so. for. the hospital takes what what was part of why you will yes they go away from them today. so we all know that this bundle is about all of attrition and we can all use a single person. and this fight because we have to keep on growing and sooner or later we're we will have to you know give our everything we've got and you can see dead people are trying to make turns on social media because they are because we all want to get as much attention from. international communities lychee you as you and other other countries so that they can help us and with it and also having. have reports that that's night china has china sent technicians to build a fire wall so that so that we can pose any danger to on social media and if that line of communication is communication is lost between our people and the world. really put us in a hard position ok thank you for talking to day w. sam i'm trying thank you very much. thank you. on a football. german think of champions up by munich on the verge of making history again for the fifo club world cup final in qatar could become the only the 2nd time to win gold 60 mastic and international titles in a single campaign hons the flick has almost done it all by the number one club in the world one a handful of titles in 2020 everything from the bundesliga to the champions league the venture lead became part of byron silverware collection that season now in qatar bahrain have one more title to go winning everything plus the fifa club world cup is tantamount to football perfection it's only been done once before back in 2009 by barcelona. winning the final at the club world cup. the cherry on top. with all of the titles week one. and then when this additional one. navy had 1st you don't think about it that much and used it also but in the end when you know only one team has won 6 titles in a season it's on the south and you have

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sam dewey. sam, more declassified documents show just how flagrant and far-ranging the fbi was or in order to wiretap the campaign. let's break it down. reporter john solomon say he's got -- he's read a declassified fisa wiretap that shows the fbi justified secretly spying on carter page merely because they believed carter page was going to, behind the media a to tout a book that he was going to write and carter page was defending his innocence in the media about working, you know, trump-russia collusion. he's saying there's no there there. so that's good enough to get a fisa wiretap? >> no, it's not. it should be and it's indicative of the fact that the system broke down here. there's supposed to be checks and safeguards against this type of abuse, and every single one either failed, or it appears as we see more and more of the documents was deliberately evaded by those entities who were seeking the warrants. and perhaps, you know, we really haven't seen that side of the story, but one does wonder should the court have done more at the time to question these and should the court be doing more now to question these findings. elizabeth: yeah. john durham also has his criminal probe of the trump-russia probe, and it's about keeping and reserving and protecting the integrity of a fisa court that's meant to stop terrorist attacks on the u.s. it's not meant to be used in poll techs. so here's the thing -- politics. we read through the documents and we see constantly the fbi using the words we believe or the belief is. so is speculation enough to get a wiretap in we thought you needed proof for probable cause in order to spy on somebody. so there was no proof that carter page was a russian asset or trump was a russian asset, just a lot of speculation in the documents. that's good enough to violate someone's civil liberties and spy on them and whoever else they're talking to? >> no, it isn't good enough to have a belief. the papers that we've seen were couched in specific beliefs that pointed to certain pieces of evidence that turned out to either be fabricated or to be portrayed in a misleading light. and that's, that's what i alluded to earlier when i was saying the various safeguards kind of broke down as the process went forward. but, no, just because the fbi, you know, has some belief, that isn't enough to get any sort of warrant and certainly not enough of to get this type of warrant9 from this court which is reserved for surveillance of foreign nationals. as, you know, it's the foreign intelligence surveillance act. it's supposed to be focused on foreign nationals. elizabeth: so -- right. so, you know, they went for more than a year on this, months and months, not coming up with anything, no proof, no evidence, no intercept as john solomon points out, no sources, no documents that carter page was doing anything to do, to collude with russia, nor was trump doing that. so when they didn't have the goods, they started to say the words we believe something is going on again and again. how is john durham going to weigh that in the balance? >> well, i think he's going to look at, he's going to have each time someone made representation what were the facts before them. and where did those facts come from, what did they know about those facts. very importantly here, what should they have known about those facts given their duty to gather facts given their position. and then he's going to ask based on all of that were the representations they made consistent with the law. and it's the a very painstaking process because he has to go line by line, point by point and at each discreet point in time. but that's what he's going to do. elizabeth: all right. that's what he's going to do, and we'll see what happens. we're going to stay on this story. and, sam with your insights and perspective and knowledge. sam dewey, you're always terrific. thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you very much. elizabeth: okayful we're coming into the bottom of the hour. you're watching the fox business network. coming up, young americans for liberty analyst kristin tate, a powerful judge delivering a new reckoning for new york governor andrew cuomo, ruling governor cuomo and his administration must now show the full count of covid deaths in nursing homes. this is related to the scandal hitting the governor about his executive order putting covid-19 patients back into nursing homes. the cuomo team has done everything it could, talked about everything else it can instead of that order. it's now accused of covering the story up. the story next. >> cuomo administration is trying to circle the wag gones here because -- wagons here because for months we were told by the media that governor cuomo was the model of governance in the time of covid, and what we

sam dewey. sam, more declassified documents show just how flagrant and far-ranging the fbi was or in order to wiretap the campaign. let's break it down. reporter john solomon say he's got -- he's read a declassified fisa wiretap that shows the fbi justified secretly spying on carter page merely because they believed carter page was going to, behind the media a to tout a book that he was going to write and carter page was defending his innocence in the media about working, you know, trump-russia collusion. he's saying there's no there there. so that's good enough to get a fisa wiretap? >> no, it's not. it should be and it's indicative of the fact that the system broke down here. there's supposed to be checks and safeguards against this type of abuse, and every single one either failed, or it appears as we see more and more of the documents was deliberately evaded by those entities who were seeking the warrants. and perhaps, you know, we really haven't seen that side of the story, but one does wonder should the court have done more at the time to question these and should the court be doing more now to question these findings. elizabeth: yeah. john durham also has his criminal probe of the trump-russia probe, and it's about keeping and reserving and protecting the integrity of a fisa court that's meant to stop terrorist attacks on the u.s. it's not meant to be used in poll techs. so here's the thing -- politics. we read through the documents and we see constantly the fbi using the words we believe or the belief is. so is speculation enough to get a wiretap in we thought you needed proof for probable cause in order to spy on somebody. so there was no proof that carter page was a russian asset or trump was a russian asset, just a lot of speculation in the documents. that's good enough to violate someone's civil liberties and spy on them and whoever else they're talking to? >> no, it isn't good enough to have a belief. the papers that we've seen were couched in specific beliefs that pointed to certain pieces of evidence that turned out to either be fabricated or to be portrayed in a misleading light. and that's, that's what i alluded to earlier when i was saying the various safeguards kind of broke down as the process went forward. but, no, just because the fbi, you know, has some belief, that isn't enough to get any sort of warrant and certainly not enough of to get this type of warrant9 from this court which is reserved for surveillance of foreign nationals. as, you know, it's the foreign intelligence surveillance act. it's supposed to be focused on foreign nationals. elizabeth: so -- right. so, you know, they went for more than a year on this, months and months, not coming up with anything, no proof, no evidence, no intercept as john solomon points out, no sources, no documents that carter page was doing anything to do, to collude with russia, nor was trump doing that. so when they didn't have the goods, they started to say the words we believe something is going on again and again. how is john durham going to weigh that in the balance? >> well, i think he's going to look at, he's going to have each time someone made representation what were the facts before them. and where did those facts come from, what did they know about those facts. very importantly here, what should they have known about those facts given their duty to gather facts given their position. and then he's going to ask based on all of that were the representations they made consistent with the law. and it's the a very painstaking process because he has to go line by line, point by point and at each discreet point in time. but that's what he's going to do. elizabeth: all right. that's what he's going to do, and we'll see what happens. we're going to stay on this story. and, samctive and knowledge. sam dewey, you're always terrific. thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you very much. elizabeth: okayful we're coming into the bottom of the hour. you're watching the fox business network. coming up, young americans for liberty analyst kristin tate, a powerful judge delivering a new reckoning for new york governor andrew cuomo, ruling governor cuomo and his administration must now show the full count of covid deaths in nursing homes. this is related to the scandal hitting the governor about his executive order putting covid-19 patients back into nursing homes. the cuomo team has done everything it could, talked about everything else it can instead of that order. it's now accused of covering the story up. the story next. >> cuomo administration is trying to circle the wag gones here because -- wagons here because for months we were told by the media that governor cuomo was the model of governance in the time of covid, and what we realize is they callously coo

. >> reporter: for the news, i'm sam reed >> sam, thank you. and thanks to them >>> the nfl is just one game away now from playing an entire season through a pandemic. but the league is still focused on other health issues, including concussions. the nfl reports those dropped by 5% in 2020 it marks three straight years in which the number of concussions has decreased. a league executive insists this is just progress not success on the covid front, the nfl's chief medical officer says masks were the key element in preventing the virus from spreading across the league. keep in mind, several teams reported outbreaks over the course of the season overall, the league's positivity rate has remained very low, even while testing players and staff every day. the nfl and cdc released a report last week showing how the league worked through the pandemic officials say they're hoping the public will take a page out of the nfl's play book. and mask up. >>> the big game now, just three days away, but already making history. not just because it's the first tim

sam brock. sam, you walked into a grocery store to get a sandwich, and you saw this. employees, customers basically, no one with a mask on. i had a feeling it was you because it was shot so high. most of us would have to is stand on two ladders to shoot that video. what in the world was going on? >> reporter: yeah, the vantage point is unique to me, steph, good morning, very good to be with you. look, i think sometimes in these situations you worry you're showing a snapshot of something that might not actually be the reality. i didn't go in there looking for a story. i went in there looking for lunch. when i got inside the supermarket, i got chills because there were doz dozens of people, if not hundreds, and most of them were not wearing masks. that's what the video shows, where i am in collier county, florida on the western side of the state here at a nearby naples, there were mask mandates in both of those governments that require people to wear masks when they go inside of a supermarket, business, any sort of establishment. the owner here is currently in legal battles with collier county over that very thing. he's been cited and fined repeatedly for this, it is not necessarily representative of what's going on in florida. i've lived in a bunch of places, in miami and miami beach. and not seen anything like this, and in naples, not seen anything like that. here's a conversation with the owner of this supermarket. you don't think masks work and that the virus is not a real thing. >> i know that the virus has not killed 400,000 people in this country. that's total hogwash. why don't we shut the world down because of heart attacks? why don't we shut -- why don't we lock down cities because of heart attacks? >> reporter: the reaction to that video you've been playing, steph, has been a tidal wave, it's been viewed more than 2 million times so far in less than 24 hours, 5,000 comments on it, the majority of them, steph, are people that are outraged. some of whom are also saying of course the science doesn't prove the masks work but we know that's not true. >> stunning, samou. i've got to get more answers. let's bring in dr. celine gounder. i've got to get your reaction to this crazy video from florida and this store owner who says why don't we shut the world down over heart attacks. you're a doctor. have you ever had a patient, have you ever seen a patient breathe on a health care professional and kill them from a heart attack? >> stephanie, i actually knew about this grocery store. a friend of mine lives near there and sent know photos of this place about a month ago. this is not just a snapshot in time. this has been what's been happening for months at this grocery store now. we do not implement restrictions on mask wearing and social distancing for heart attacks because heart attacks are not an infectious disease spread by respiratory droplets and aerosols. it's simply a completely different disease. we are seeing transmission, you asked about a patient breathing on a health care provider. yeah, we're seeing that in the hospital right now. the hospit

sam stein. sam, good morning. always great to see you. >> good morning. >> i want to talk about this commission here first, because i think that one of the things that people aren't saying out loud about this is the concern that the republican appointees to this commission would be people who would engage in conspiracy theories about what actually happened on january 6th. i mean, ron johnson, we saw him at a hearing this week spouting theories that are simply not true about who was there, how it happened, and that could threaten to derail a commission that, frankly, would investigate threats to all of these people's lives. i mean, they were chanting, these rioters, "hang mike pence," "where's nancy." it's not like they were just after leaders from one party and not the other. what do you make of the partisan bickering over the creation of this commission? >> well, there's that fear that they can use this to advance conspiracy theories that say, like, antifa had embedded some of the insurrectionists on january 6th. the other fear is that they use the commission to just sort of make it a general study of political violence and then they start going way back into things that democratic lawmakers said that were contextually different than anything that trump said on that day or that was said prior to january 6th, and it suddenly becomes this mushy report on whether rhetoric in politics is too heated. what they really need to do is find out what happened in the lead-up to january 6th, the security failures, what was said that maybe inspired these people, what were the communications on that day, what was going on in the white house, which is a huge -- we simply just don't know what trump was up to on the day to this point. so, there are legitimate fears that this commission could be hijacked. the question, is how do you get it streamlined? and i think that's what pelosi's trying to do right here. she's trying to negotiate some way with republicans to say, look, the scope is what matters here, not the composition, the scope. and until they get that, i don't see how they go forward. >> and i mean, samconnell did an interview yesterday where he seemed to say he would support donald trump as the nominee in 2024. their office has kind of pushed back against that. but the politics around this are obviously changing very quickly and getting real answers, i think, as you point out, it relies on figuring out what president trump was doing and saying during those critical hours and why he didn't, you know, issue a specific stand down earlier when he was getting these phone calls. there are a lot of members of congress that likely have some information. we know he calls people all the time. we know he spoke to kevin mccarthy. you saw jamie herrera beutler come out at the end of the impeachment process to say, hey, i've got information. i'm willing to say this under oath. if the politics of this move, though, as quickly toward donald trump as they seem to be, is there any chance we'll actually learn the truth? >> well, that's the big question, right? i mean, it's almost remarkable in a way t

sam stein. sam, good morning! >> good morning. >> always good to see you. >> of course. >> we do have, as i mentioned before, the senate is awake and doing things at this very, very early hour of the morning. >> shockingly, yeah. >> but i want to talk about the coming impeachment trial, because clearly, this was a bid from the house managers to try and put trump on the spot. i think they're going to use his refusal to try and indicate that it means that he's guilty. but at the same time, even as we talk about how this is actually all going to unfold, it does seem like the outcome is preordained, that there doesn't seem to be any way trump is actually going to be convicted. so, what are the implications of how this unfolds next week? >> yeah, i think that's right. i mean, it's very hard, if not impossible, to imagine 17 senate republicans voting to convict, when 45 of them said that this whole process is unconstitutional, to impeach someone after they've left office. so, the idea of a conviction seems far-fetched. so, what are the implications here? well, two-fold. one is, it's a litigation of the constitutionality of the impeachment, itself. can you impeach someone after they're out of office? they're going to argue that. and secondarily, it's a matter of public relations, for better or worse. and i think the trump people know this. i mean, it's not only that they don't want to talk about voter fraud because they're worried that it might blow up in their face, but they don't want to relitigate the events of january 6th. my colleagues, meredith mcgraw and gabby orr are reporting there is deep anxiety within trump world about having this whole trial become a relitigation of that day. they recognize that that would be politically damaging to go through what happened, the violence of the day. they don't want witnesses. they don't want to have to talk about the incitement or the riots. they think that, you know, this is essentially a stage for a public relations battle, and they want to keep it short and simple, whereas democrats have been very, you know, clear, they want to talk about what happened. they want to go through whether he did incite those riots, and they want to talk about the riots, themselves. so yes, of course, it's a question of constitutionality, it's a question of whether trump will be able to run for office again or not, but more than anything else at this juncture, it's a question about trump's future. >> well, and sami spent a lot of time thinking about mitch mcconnell in this context, because he has said some things that i think even members of his own conference were surprised to hear him say in public, that he has put a lot of distance between himself and the president, suggested that he's open to voting to convict. it's clear that he was affected by the events of january 6th. so, you know, i think there's also a political calculation for him that it would maybe be better for the republican party if trump couldn't run again. what's the calculation there? >> right. >> i know, certainly, privately, there are a ton of republicans who agree with that, they want trump off the stage, but they're afraid to say it in public. >> right. yeah, no, it's a really fascinating subplot here, which is, essentially, a good chunk of both parties want the same outcome, which is just for trump to go away, right? democrats -- but they want to get at it through different means. democrats want to use the impeachment pr

sam stein. sam, good morning! it's always great to see you. >> good morning. >> let's talk a little bit about what we have and haven't learned about what the president was doing on that day, now that the prosecution has essentially rested their opening arguments. they're going to have another opportunity to talk to us a little bit later on, but we don't necessarily have as many details as i know you think that we might have, had they focused more on this. what is your take here? >> yeah. well, i mean, look, the trial has illuminated in incredible detail what happened at the capitol, really harrowing detail, if you think about it, from the video presentations that the impeachment managers presented. the missing component has been what was going on, on the other side of pennsylvania avenue. what was trump up to in the minute-by-minute of that day? the most we have gotten from this trial, the most new information, i should say, has been this sort of bizarre phone call that was made to mike lee that ended up being for tommy tuberville. and the contents of that and the timing of that, we now know, came right around when mike pence was leaving the chamber and trump was tweeting, but that's about it, that we know, from new information from the white house. and i think it's just a tremendous, not missed opportunity, but from a historical standpoint, you would want to know what was happening. you can make the case that from a standpoint of trying to reach the president and convict him, you would want to know what's happening, and yet, that seems to be a black box, part of it because we just don't have any witnesses, and no witnesses have been called to testify of the minute-by-minute account that was happening at the white house. and from all accounts, we're not going to get that from the trump side, either. so, it's going to be one of these things that we just end this trial without having any more clarity about. >> sam of what they're saying he's guilty of? i mean, if he wasn't,wasn't, co defense be a point-by-point reading, accounting of what the president was doing? >> this is not a court of law, obviously. and the absence of something does not mean guilty is implied. you would think, from a logical standpoint, if you are a defense attorney and you have exculpatory evidence about, pressing alarm, trying to tamp things down, questioning how this could happen, you would present that in the course of your defense. if it doesn't exist, it doesn't exist. the other flip side of that is, you know, it could potentially be even more damaging. we don't know what the president was doing. perhaps he was monitoring it, lauding it. perhaps there were conversations that would help the impeachment manager's case. there are a lot of questions with respect to the trial. this is a huge historical moment for our country. and i think there is an imperative to know exactly how it went down point by point. this is not j

sam. congratulations to sam. >> reporter: but this time, they're bringing the team back all in one place.'ve all been through so much and we're wanting normalcy. we want some of those things that we are used to and "american idol" is a showcase show for talent. you will see that this season. >> reporter: producers are following very strict safety protocols, and that's been the biggest challenge nation one of the country's most competitive talent shows. i'm sandy kenyon, abc 7 news. >> the 10th season of "american idol" starts at 8:00 p.m. stay tuned for the rookie at 10:00 and the abc 7 news at 11:00 right after. >>> all right, the next half hour coming your way with that new government guidance on what it will take to reopen schools. >>> and could something called clubhouse be the next big social media out there? it might already . >>> trending towards promise on the coronavirus crisis. several states relaxing restriction this is valentine's day weekend, the brand-new milestone this morning. 50 million vaccine doses administered. now a certain set of factors will determine how a pandemic

host: sam on the democrats line. sam in reston, virginia, go ahead. caller: my question to mr. alan dershowitz is how in the world we can get a fair trial while the jury is working with the defense and the jury is coming out clearly supporting the defense? what kind of trial can be get? guest: let's understand the whole context. the trial is presided over by senators who have expressed their views. verdict first, trial after. the jurors are not only witnesses, they are victims of what happened in the capital. this is not a fair trial. yes, republicans made up their mind. if they go the wrong way, they get sanctioned. democrats have made up their minds. that is one of the reasons i don't love arguing these kinds of issues in front of the senate. i like to argue in front of open-minded judges and jurors. you have most of the senators that have probably made up their minds. some may have open minds. i think today's arguments by the defense team might influence a handful of votes. if they make serious mistakes, there may be enough republicans to vote to convict. if they don't, if t

sam. congratulations to sam. >> reporter: but this time, they're bringing the team back all in one place.all been through so much. we are wanting normalcy. we want some of those things 23 are used to and "american idol" is a showcase show for talent and you will see that this season. >> reporter: producers are following very strict pandemic safety protocols and that's been the biggest challenge facing one of the country's most competitive talent shows. >> grab a spot on the couch. tonight's season premier of "american idol" is right here on abc 7 starting at 8:00 p.m. stay tuned for the rookie and abc 7 news right after that. >>> the next half hour of abc 7 morning, is coming your way with that new government guidance on what it will take to reopen schools. bust plus the race to vaccinate, why is it especially in need? >>> could something called clubhouse be the next social media out there? why you nay be have you or a loved one been wronged by pre-made breakfast? well, wendy's has your back dropping the hammer with two of these made to order breakfast sandwiches for just four dollars. ge

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sam brock. so, sam, the bucks making history. they are the first team to ever play at home, during the super bowl. so, how is it going to be different during a pandemic, this year? >> that's correct. i thought you were going to try to stump me there with some trivia. lindsey, kendis, good morning. look. the city of tampa and the nfl, this morning, facing a monumental task of trying to host one of the largest sporting events of the world. while in the midst of this pandemic. he's required masks, at indoor and outdoor venues. they are asking folks who are celebrating here, in tampa, to take their masks off to eat and drink when they are at bars and restaurants, and put it right back on, again. that's the guidelines. will that become reality, is another question. outdoors, folks also have to be wearing their masks when they are downtown, anywhere in the tampa area, or anywhere near super-bowl-related events. you see raymond james stadium over my shoulder. there is going to be about 25,000 people there tomorrow. that is well-below the 50% capacity for the stadium. there are signs everywhere you look, guys, basically, plastered all over the place talking about keeping six feet of distance between people and wearing masks. the nfl's put it everywhere. and just to get where i am right now, i had to fill out something called a policy path. i am showing you on the screen right now. essentially, acknowledging, every single day, every 24 hours i have to fill this out. that i have not tested positive for covid-19. that i have no symptoms, and then, i got to get a temperature check. and at that point, i can walk out here onto the risers. i can take my mask off, if i would like to. if i choose not to, as i am today, i can leave it on but those are the protocols in place. we spoke with some fans in downtown tampa about whether they think this is all going to work. >> i think they are taking proper precautions. they are spacing everybody out. i think the people that -- the medical staff they're allowing in. they are going to be vaccinated, already. so, i think, they are taking proper steps. >> do you think that this is going to be, like, a safe environment, everyone is outside? obviously, you have -- >> absolutely not. it's -- it's not safe right now. absolutely not. >> do you sense the fact -- >> no. if you haven't had covid, you're getting it this weekend, 100%. >> you, obviously, heard them laughing when i asked the question about whether or not it's going to be safe. one of those gentleman told me, look, it's on the individuals, it's not on the city to make sure they're acting responsibly. one other note, lindsey and kendis, everybody attending tomorrow's game is getting a safety kit that is going to include hand sanitizer, a kn95 mask, and bacterial wipes as well. >> you mentioned some 20,000 but the nfl is giving some hard-working health-care workers tickets, as well. >> that's absolutely right, kendis. there is going to be 24,500 or 25,000 people, in total. 7,500 of them are going to be frontline health-care workers. i spoke with one of them, last night. a chaplain from new york who has been comforting covid patients and their families. hundreds of them for months. and he was talking to me about how important this is. he is going to be one of 80 people that patriots' owner, robert craft, is taking to the game. now, it's going to be 79 people from boston and him. his name is rocky walker and he said, look, i feel like i am representing the millions of people across the country, this morning, who have put their lives on the line every single day. that is who we are. that is what we do. and he is so humbled and proud to be part of that process. >> and we are going to have two health-care workers tomorrow in our hours to talk to us about going to the super bowl, as well. samre going do begin with breaking news. >>> some stunning comments from president joe biden as he breaks away from tradition. he says he doesn't think donald trump should get intelligence briefings. calling trump's behavior, quote, erratic. >>> the former president's defense team, now gearing up for his second-impeachment trial. his lawyer, suggesting they may use representative maxine

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sam joins us now from tampa. sam, let's go back to that study of the uk variant. what else did it find? >> reporter: look, kate, scientists looked at half a million samples and were able to trace the presence of the uk strain back to the united states in late november which is to say some parts of the country that have been particularly hard hit like l.a. county, it might have been the uk variant that was driving it kate >> so interesting. sam, thank you. >>> the federal government will make a major push this week sending 1 million vaccine doses to pharmacies across the country. but just how easy will it be to get an appointment meagan fitzgerald with what you need to know >> reporter: tonight, a vaccine headache >> extremely frustrated. >> reporter: for people in rhode island trying to get a shot >> they said we're either all booked or we had no vaccine. >> reporter: saying "we're aware of the scheduling issue and are in the process of resolving it." something they hope to avoid when the federal government ships a million doses this week to 6,500 pharmacies nationwide including cvs, walgreens, rite aid, walmart, costco and some grocery stores the program aims to speed up vaccine distribution and eventually expand to 40,000 pharmacies >> it will look a little different than getting a flu shot where you can walk in and ask for it we're going to ask patients to actually book an appointment. >> reporter: here's how you do it f

sam joins us now from tampa. sam, what's being done to keep the 25,000 fans who will be inside the stadium safe >> reporter: jose, the nfl is being very strict this year about physical distancing every line has markers showing exactly six feet of space. you can buy food and all of your tickets, pop it up on your phone, and on top of just that every fan is going to get a safety pack with a kn95 mask inside of it jose >> samrock in tampa, thank you. the super bowl hasn't started yet and it's already been marred by tragedy a member of the kansas city staff, the head coach's son, is under investigation following a car crash that left a child fighting for life. meagan fitzgerald reports. >> there's andy reid >> reporter: tonight a dark cloud above the kansas city chiefs as they arrive in tampa ahead of sunday's big game missing from the team, assistant linebackers coach britt reid, also the son of head coach andy reid >> three vehicles involved one vehicle is flipped. >> reporter: the 35-year-old was in a car crash in kansas city that sent two young children to the hospital, including a 5-year-old with life-threatening injuries >> he's responsive but kind of going in and out of it >> reporter: it happened thursday night near the team's home field police say a chevy impala ran out of gas and pulled over near an on-ramp to the highway. another vehicle stopped to help. that's when police say reid's pickup truck

sam brock has more good morning, sam. >> reporter: phillip, good morning. two agents who spent their careers trying to crack down on the skploeation of children killed in the line of duty executing a federal search warrant. in sunrise, florida, a dark day for the fbi. the bureau confirming two special agents were shot and killed 36-year-old daniel alfin andd l swartzenberger. >> dan and laura left home to carry out the mission they were signed for and love dodd, to keep america safe. >> reporter: three others were injured tied to a man suspected of violent crimes against children including pornography. >> the fbi is a family and our chosen profession is fraught with danger. today this grim reality has taken two of our best from our family. >> reporter: their heroism highlighted with police salutes as the caskets draped in the american flag left broward general hospital and then a similar sobering scene again at the coroner's office, the suspect declared dead at his home the flag at the fbi field office sitting half-staff while they try to figure out how this happened, it's tragedy revisited for miami. more than 30 years ago, that's the last time two agents were killed in the line of duty, and it happened in south florida in 1986 phillip, back to you. >> sam, thank you for that. >>> let's turn to the latest on the coronavirus pandemic the cdc is analyze 6,000 samples every week to try to track down the new variants but a lot of the focus has gone from testing to vaccinating. let's get the latest from gabee sites that reopenend it now plao ramp up its vax neighs over the next few days. with every hour critical, some vaccine sites like this one in connecticut reopened despite the weather. how frustrating has it been to get an appointment >> very frustrating. on a scale of 1 to 10, it's an 8. >> reporter: across the country from georgia to california, frustration isweek, february 11 government says it will deliver 1 million doses to 6,500 retail pharmacies nationwide, eventually expanding to 40,000 >> we have all of the infrastructure, all of the connection and community to be able to help those people who have been hard-hit by the pandemic. >> reporter: andy slavitt says he's concerned providers are holding back second doses. >> i think tha

sam, thank you very much indeed. i will let alix pick it up. alix: ok, sam. we really appreciate it, sam fazeli from bloomberg intelligence. guide mentioned the reaction to the pound, surges through 140 for the first time in nearly three years. a lot going on in this story. potentially the weaker dollar, but really is is a stronger cable rate as well. let's break it down with geoffrey yu, from bank of new york mellon. you saw the recovery after the bottom in march. you could argue that the first half of the rally was the weaker dollar, but now we are in the sort of stronger sterling story. do you buy into that? geoffrey: i do buy into that. a lot of things that boris johnson will say on monday will feature into this. on across asset basis, i will monitor is showing that the u.k. equities are best-performing, the most bought out of all the markets that we track. at the same time, and we saw it in the gulf market, the selling of government bonds, the selling of fixed income. this is a classic inflation --. the u.k. is becoming the benchmark. now we just need government policies on reopenin

olivia munn, sam cheng, thank you. >> sam, we hope your mom continues to recover.r, down plays it. >> she's like i'm fine, i'm fine. thank you all for watching. >> we'll be back tomorrow at 6:00 a.m. velshi starts right now. >>> good morning. it is saturday, february 20th. i am ali velshi, coming to you live from birmingham, alabama where i will bring you fascinating an important conversations with activists and ordinary citizens on the front line of the battle for racial equality in this country from a city steeped in the civil rights struggle. we begin this morning with slow rolling crisis that continues this hour in texas where millions of fellow citizens find themselves in a dire situation, days into a winter storm that crippled the energy sector, brought out the worst in republican leadership. while power started to come back for most of the millions of texans struggling through freezing temperatures without it, there are still tens of thousands without power and the crisis is shifting from power to water. half the state's population does not currently have sa

sam cook sang? >> well, you know, singing is an oral tradition. sam is one of my teachers. you only learn how to do this by listening to the greats and imitating them along the way. sam'se. i never in a million years thought i would play him. but getting cast in the role, i went back to those early days of training, of listening to mom and dad's records and, yeah, i did, i tried to sound as much like sam cook as i possibly could. >> yeah. and, michael, your book even is that hint of that homage to sam cook. where do you think he stands -- we don't talk about him a lot when we talk about civil rights. he really did do a thing which was dangerous at the time which was to sing about liberation when the music industry wanted him to just do pop music. >> absolutely right. he owned his own record company, he was a young man who was a pop matinee idol. the women loved him and the men wanted to be him. he was flawlessly handsome, as is leslie odom jr., an extraordinarily able to show off his both. he turned it into one of the most prized possessions of any singer. but as a civil rights figure growing up in chicago, coming out of gospel music, recipient of some of the most brut

do for or we do sam thank you thank you for giving us that perspective sam an activist in the city of mandalay his name we have changed to protect his identity. let's turn on some of the other stories making news around the world this hour at least 5 people have been killed in a series of blasts in the afghan capital kabul in one incident a magnetic bomb was apparently attached to a car belonging to a local political leader he wasn't inside at the time no one has yet claimed responsibility. severe flooding in the indonesian capital jakarta has forced more than a 1000 people to flee their homes floodwaters have reached nearly 2 made has in some areas or far he's warmer conditions are said to continue as the country expects the heaviest rain of the season in the coming days. u.s. president joe biden says he'll approve a disaster declaration for the state of texas paving the way for more federal aid to deal with a crippling winter storm nearly 15000000 people have been facing disruptions to water supplies and at least 2 dozen deaths have been attributed to the storm. a court in moscow ha

house editor for politico, sam stein, tweeted last night, the white house doesn't know if they have any authority over student debt relief at all. sam joins us now. hey, samto see you. good morning to you. >> hey, good morning. >> i wonder what you make of this pushback on student loan forgiveness and also, why the disconnect between the senators and the president over what is actually possible? >> yeah, i mean, it's a fascinating fissure within the democratic ranks here. joe biden has come into the town hall, left the impression that he wasn't willing to go above $10,000, but he was willing to do that via executive order or executive action, i should say. and in fact, they're not even at that place yet. during the day yesterday, my colleague, mike stratford, pressing the administration, well, if it's $10,000, why not $11,000? where do you see the legal limits? why not $12,000? and what he got was something a little bit more fascinating, which is, they don't know yet, or they say they don't know yet whether they have the legal authority to do anything at all. they're waiting on a department of justice ruling in terms of legality of taking this action. the

sam coates, skye. prime minister, i sam coates, skye. prime minister, ou want sam coates, skye. fective, some people logically will not benefit from it as much as others. we think, and there is no vaccination programme we know that is 100% effective in protecting everybody who gets vaccination from disease, but we think and we have good reason to think that both the vaccines we are currently using, and there are more coming down the track, both of them are effective in offering you a high degree of protection against a serious disease or death. and that is a great thing. we are unable at the moment precisely to quantify what that means in terms of driving down the incidents of the pandemic in this country, how fast that can go. and that's why we have to be cautious at the moment. as chris was saying, we have some interesting data from israel. but we just need to wait a little bit longer before we can talk with authority about the effectiveness of the overall programme. we know it'll work. it is the speed at which it works is really what we are still waiting to see, i think it is

sam brock is fired up it's sort of sad, but he is already outside the stadium. the game isn't happening for five days, sam no, i'm kidding. he is at raymond james stadium at downtown tampa. they're fired up sams obviously not a normal year. this is super bowl week. so much enthusiasm right now there are story lines on the field. tom brady and the bucs are three-point underdogs to the kansas city chiefs off the field, normally massive celebrations and full player access, this week, it became a virtual kick-off to a unique super bowl the stage is set for super bowl lv in a 2021 pandemic twist, the players are nowhere near the stadium. instead, appearing by zoom stars across the board, but all eyes on the two men under center tom brady and patrick mahomes. brady won their last head-to-head playoff matchup, but mahomes won the last super bowl and was the game's mvp. >> i think he's got the ability to focus when the moments are the biggest, and to deliver for his team that's probably the mark of any great athlete, is coming through in the clutch. >> as i continue in my career, i'm still trying to do whatever i can to watch the tape on him because he's doing it the right way. you can tell by how m

sam vigil and his attorney, robert. sam's wife was killed in their driveway by an illegal alien who was a known criminal with a lengthy criminal history. sam, but could your wife's murder have been prevented? >> absolutely. you know, if we hadn't had the type of policies that we have here in albuquerque, i really believe my wife would be alive today. david and specifically you're talking about its declaration as a sanctuary city, right? if. >> exactly, yes. that's what happened here, yeah. protecting the people that shouldn't be here, you know, illegally, that come into the country to commit crimes. that's really the sad situation for me and probably other people that have experienced the same thing that i did, the murder of my wife. david teafd we're looking at pictures of your beautiful wife and i'm just wondering, i mean, did she have any thoughts about these issues before she was murdered by a criminal illegal alien? >> actually, my wife is an immigrant from colombia. she came to this country legally and was a very proud american, you know? but, no, there was no, no issues, i guess, in terms of, you know, her status as a citizen here.

sam frankie thank you for giving us that perspective sam an activist in the city of mandalay his name we have changed to protect his identity. let's turn to some of the other stories making news around the world this hour at least 5 people have been killed in a series of blasts in the afghan capital kabul in one incidence of magnetic bomb was apparently attached to a car belonging to a local polled political leader but he wasn't inside at the time no one has claimed responsibility. severe flooding in the indonesian capital jakarta has forced more than a 1000 people to flee their homes floodwaters have reached nearly 2 metres in some areas authorities warmer conditions are set to continue as the country expects the heaviest rain of the season in the coming days. the italian coast guard has launched a search for survivors after a vessel carrying migrants capsized off the mediterranean island of lampedusa overnight officials say around 40 people have so far been saved survivors of the accident said 5 people are still unaccounted for. new zealand has kicked off its official rollout of bio

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what was the environment like in the team? were people willingly embracing of diversity, let's say? i wouldn't have said so, particularly. i don't think it was intentionally discriminatory, i just don't think it was a topic of conversation. it was very much presumed that you would have a boyfriend. that is kind of where it went. i don't think it was conscious discrimination. wa5 conscious discrimination. and obviously it took a long time before you were involved in a relationship. when that happened, how quickly did you feel you needed to tell the rest of the team? it wasn't something we felt we wanted to do or felt comfortable enough to do straightaway, if i am honest. we told a couple of people in the team who were also in leadership positions. because we were building up to an olympic games, it was just felt that, let's just not rock the boat, let's keep this as it is. i have talked to a lot of your team—mates, saying as a couple you were so inspirational to them. and actually, they were really proud of you. now that that has happened one couple, you are now starting to see it happen a bit more openly for lots of other couples in other sports. it's kind of opening the door, it has made it way more comfortable. the key thing was, right at the start, as soon as it was something that was now open, was that we spoke about it. it was put on the table as, this is happening, this is the case. the reaction is never as bad as you think it is going to be. but i do feel that within sport, when you are talking about such marginal differences, the fear of being outed or being open can limit people in their performance. 100%. without a doubt. if you can't be your whole self, you are carrying a weight around with you. you have the pressure of day—to—day life, the pressure of performing every day. and then this added weight. it would absolutely affect you. just those simple daily questions, conversations that happen around you all the time. like when we first got into the team, you meet new people and they say, have you got a boyfriend? straight away, that question. or the fact you are dreading that question coming is there constantly. once you were open and got a much better reaction than either of you probably anticipated, what difference do you think it made to you on the pitch? did you feel better as players? so i was already out for a few years before i had a relationship with kate. conversations with people who knew me reasonably well, they just saw a completely different person. they now saw somebody who. .. person. they now saw somebody who... i don't think it is confidence, it's beyond confidence, it's beyond confidence, it's beyond confidence, it'sjust like confidence, it's beyond confidence, it's just like a way, and they are now seeing the real me rather than somebody trying to hide themselves. the general assumption is, women's sport, it's all right. and men's sport needs work. that force? i would imagine there is still a perception of, oh, another couple, that kind of thing. i think that's where the education comes in. the more you are able to speak about these things to youngsters and they see the person behind the sexuality or the agenda or the sportsperson, the more they are able to think, oh, they are just people and fine. i remember 20 years ago giving a talk at whatever uk sport was then, all of the coaches, talking about how we could build women's sport. and i said, i would like to talk about the elephant in the room as well. women's sport has a very high percentage of gay women. i didn't use the word lesbian because i have the same mental thing going on in my head that whenever it has been said to me it has been a negative term, so i said gay women, and i think we need to discuss that. and be transparent and open and talk about how women's sport is a very accepting place but diversity and same—sex couples. i mean, the horror and the silence... i was stunned because i thought, you are really scared of this. i think it's because a lot of people in senior coaching positions and senior coaching positions and senior management were scared. i think they were scared. i think they were worried that parents would, you know, 0 god, don't talk about it because parents already think if we let our daughter play sport she's going to become a lesbian... the assumption was if you go into women's sport you are going to be a lesbian. it was never, you are going to be a lesbian! it was always a negative thing. we still struggle to know how to identify ourselves. in part because of how the term lesbian is used in such a negative way. particularly in a sporting context. oh, kate, she's a lesbian now. that's another... we need to proclaim that word and see it again for what it is, a positive part of the lgbtq+ community. i am hopeful that, you know the ones now, ten, 11, 12, 13, just starting their sporting life, i just don't think they grow up with the same negative connotations. i don't think they care. i go into schools and i definitely agree. i have had my rainbow laces on, the rainbow on my hockey stick, they want to talk to me about it and i am blown away because i would never have asked a question like that, at that age. but then the people they are surrounded by, what are their views and opinions, what impact does that have? now with the power of social media is another layer of people they can get in touch with, talk to, listen to, share with. that's something we didn't have growing up. just female sport on tv. we will never watching the olympics every four years or wimbledon every year, and that was the only time we saw women playing sports. it's not where it needs to be by any stretch, particularly now with covid. it has gone backwards. the more that women's sport is on tv, it makes a big difference because you do get to see a diverse range of people. what they look like. a huge amount of different role models, and that is really positive. it is playing a massive part in this changing, for sure. massive part in this changing, forsure. i identify massive part in this changing, for sure. i identify with what helen says about a weight being lifted off your shoulders when you are able to be honest with everyone around you. you are happier, more relaxed, not lying any more. you are stronger, and so are your team—mates, your workmates. the fears are real, the challenges still exist, you worry about being excluded, disapproved of, being excluded, disapproved of, being shamed. it goes back to what martina navratilova was talking about, you worry about not being promoted, supported in your career. luckily there are so many examples now or companies who are forward—thinking, outward —looking, actively want to support individuals who are just that stop individual. many of the best paid sportswomen in the world are also gay. look at abby wambach, the usa's leading all—time goal—scorer who won two olympic gold medals and a world cup, he is now a bestselling author and motivational speaker. megan rapinoe, the winner of the golden boot and the golden ball at the women's world cup, renowned for standing with her arms outstretched and challenging authority. an australian goal—scoring dynamo, samnd being proud. looking at examples on tv, kelly smith is one of the best football pundits around. casey stoney, the former england captain and now the manager of manchester united's driving team. both have children. that has shown the younger generation that you are not curtailed from having a family, you are not denied that delight. because you are in a same—sex relationship. that in itself is an important example. so what does the future hold? rugby union is one of the relatively young sports at club level as an option for women. let's hearfrom one level as an option for women. let's hear from one of the exciting players, a wingerfor the sale sharks and a science teacher at a secondary school. her name is carys hall. when i was younger, i dabbled in a lot of different sports, my mum took me to karate when she went took me to karate when she went to the gym. i did cross country with my older sister. that translated into the indoor athletics and going out to do track and field. the ci

going to have to you know pronounce it is so decided to do for or we do sam frankie thank you for giving us that perspective sam an activist in the city of mandalay his name we have changed to protect his identity. and it's turned on some other stories making news around the world this hour at least 5 people have been killed in a series of blasts in the afghan capital kabul in one incident a magnetic bomb was apparently attached to a cob long to a local political leader but he was not inside at the time no one has claimed responsibility. severe flooding in the indonesian capital jakarta has forced more than a 1000 people to flee their homes floodwaters have reached nearly 2 mate is in some areas authorities warn the conditions a said to continue as the country expects the heaviest rain of the season in the coming days. an end to the coronavirus lockdown samed almost to be in reach and germany there are signs the situation might be worsening again for the 1st time in weeks the 7 day average of corona virus cases recorded in the country has risen slightly this comes after a steady fold since mid january experts a

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sam becoming uncle sam md? >> we have to go on the offense. my promise to all members of the doctors caucus is we will be working our bots off to come up with a solid health care plan that will be on the offense of that we can run on and enacted in two years when we get the majority back. >> scott, last word to you. >> you saw ted cruz on the stage talking about meeting freedom. we need health care freedom and you guys have to pressure them on capitol hill to make sure it gets done. i know they will be leading the charge. >> ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much. ♪ >> a record amount of dark money was spent to elect biden and now they are cashing in. wrong -- ron klain led a top dark money group and the chief of staff had dark money and the climate advisor canceled the keystone pipeline killing good union jobs. why won't biden reopen schools question mark teachers unions and dark money. personnel to policy, biden is just starting now to pay back all the dark money. >> what are you doing? training for the circus? >> no, i'm signing up for health care. a lot of hoops to jump through. >> did you look into liberty health care? >> no. >> i didn't think so. >> your ideas, innovations and visions are precious. don't let pageant pirates steal your treasure. passing the stronger pageant act, you will be helping american inventors and the economy. learn more at our website. stolen inventions. they tell no tales. stop the patent pirating ways. support american innovation by passing a stronger patent act. learn more at save the inventor.com. >> murder is on the rise faster than ever before. biden appoints gupta for a top job in the government, she led a group that wanted to reduce punishment. she could have stood for law and order and for victims but she advocated to let convicts out of jail. biden promised unity. it's a dangerous time. >> ladies and gentlemen, please welcome back the american conservative union executive director, dan schneider. >> thank you all. how many of you have been to a cpac before? which do you prefer, washington, dc or florida? i hear you, i hear you. we have to be creative and innovative. the whole thing shut down. we can't have more than 10 people in a meeting. this was a lot of work, so we came to florida. we do all the things. as you know, we have taken cpac global. japan, australia, brazil, korea. we have friends from korea here today. they are doing amazing work. i have been to korea three times now. the cpac folks were telling me, they had their presidential election in april and they were telling me that they were concerned that the elections there would be fraudulent. many people don't understand, they think of south korea as an ally to the u.s.. the corrupt president of south korea, not north korea, south korea, is a socialist who rigged the korean election. a lot of good people lost their seats and the evidence was so obvious and clear. to our good friends in korea, i can't thank you enough for what you have done. they brought the message to america and said don't let what happened in korea happen here. and it didn't. we didn't heed their warnings closely enough. so, we have a good fight. we mentioned domestic organizations. save our state. you saw the leader of save our state on our stage yesterday, making sure the electoral college remains in place. a great genius who understood individuals had to be able to elect their own officials and that states had to have proper representation. that is what the electoral college does. save our states is working hard to protect that. i hope that you will go to find out more about save our states. they are a great organization worth supporting. there are three americans who have been warning us literally for a couple of decades about what's going to happen. these guys have done amazing work, appearing on tv and radio, you're going to recognize every single one of them. i want to take a moment to bring them out and bring them a gold medal for what they are due -- but they have done. frankly we didn't heed their calls well enough. to know what went on and what we can do to fix it. jay christian adams has done an amazing job. [clapping] he's an individual i have known for a long time. these are the three individuals who have been warning us and now they are going to try to help us to understand what needs to happen. gentlemen, when did the left in earnest really begin this assault on our election system? >> [indiscernible] >> don't think they have turned your mic on. >> how about that? you weren't listening. there you go. the justice department 15 years ago, we saw the georgia id come in for approval and you wouldn't believe how much the people that were our coworkers heated. it's about changing how we run elections. the national popular vote, as you just heard, with rank choice voting. they are changing the rules of the game and that's the next step. the most important thing you guys can do is to stop private funding of elections. like the zuckerberg's. that changed the election more than anything. 450 million dollars. >> that's a drop in the bucket. they have been spending hundreds of millions in this space since 2005. when we go to court, the other side of the courtroom doesn't have enough chairs for all the lawyers. they have 15 lawyers in some cases. >> what everybody needs to realize is that what we understand the folks on the left dismiss. for fair secure elections you need access and security. what they have been doing now for the past two decades through lawsuits, through pushing litigation related to hr one, is to basically get rid of all the security protocols that states have in place to try to make sure. one quick example, they filed the first lawsuit last year before the election to use covid as an excuse, for example, with south carolina and alabama saying that you all should not be able to enforce your witness signature requirements on absentee ballot. it's too dangerous. even though you can stand six feet away from somebody with a mask on and it takes about 30 seconds to see them. >> i want you to repeat that. a mail-in ballot with a person not even standing there. they are not checking signature verification? >> right. they were fortunately unsuccessful in south carolina and alabama because the attorney general's there, fall like hell to prevent that from going forward, ok? that provision saying no state can force a witness signature is now in hr one. if that bill gets passed, those states, anyone in the country can enforce a basic provision of security protocol on apps -- absentee ballots. >> john, you have written about this. what is hr one? >> the worst bill of a nonphysical nature that has ever been produced in congress. the table of contents is 24 pages long. >> before you get to that, hr one. it is nancy -- >> it is nancy pelosi's top priority. she labels the bills by the number she wants them to appear for about an this is her first priority. what it does is it federalize his and nationalizes the election and takes away the protections that each one of your states has for a free and fair election. you got to fetid. you must defeat it. every single democrat has cosponsored it. if you put enough pressure on the democrats and the trump districts, you can bend some of those. the second thing i would say, one of the state -- mistakes madethis election by everyone is thinking that you can combat voter fraud after the election. you have to address it before the election. [applause] frankly, we did not have the lawyers do that properly. we should not always yell fraud first. sometimes the laws that the democrats have put in are so loose, confusing, chaotic, planned chaos that they create a situation where we wrote in our book, you can't tell her the confidence ends and where the fraud begins. >> what is the name of this book? >> who's counting, fraudsters and bureaucrats for your vote at risk. we are working on an updated version to hopefully come out. >> what is in the updated version? >> we published the original book in and it was our book that emphasized that voter fraud exists. we listed case after case, and frankly there have been a lot of cases in the past eight years. >> we are going to explain the 2020 -- the 2020 election, the exaggeration and what was ignored. >> this is important. all of us are concerned about our vote because democracy is voting. there are some conspiracy theories out there that are not worth chasing. those conspiracy theories do not hold water when there is so much real, known stuff. what are some examples of knowable known stuff that went wrong? >> we know there were dead voters, we know there were double voters. you can't catalogue them right away. we catalog the 18 -- the 2018 election, where we got all the voter rolls for the entire country and amalgamated them and we can tell you. >> what does it mean to amalgamate the voter rolls? why are you doing that? >> it is complicated because you have to get all this data. it is expensive. you can't do it in two weeks. when we heard about dead people" is after the election, we knew that was phony because you can't catalog that. you can't just go challenge hundreds of thousands of voters. >> any time subleases no, that didn't happen, you are telling me you can't know that it didn't happen. >> one piece of advice for everyone in the audience, when you buy a car, you do research, when you buy a washing machine you do research. when someone says, i have the grand answer for all voter fraud and i have the secret sauce, there are grifters out there. don't automatically send them your money. kick the tires. >> this is critical. my mom used to call me and say i am hearing one organization say this, but another organization says the opposite. when my supposed to trust? all of us live in the swamp. if you bought a set of beer, we could probably tell you all of the organizations that are truly good and all of the ones that are not worth your time and money. there are organizations that chase the dollars. they will sound like they are earnest, but they are just trying to get your money. what we do? heritage foundation, can you tell us some of the things you are doing? >> the biggest thing we have been doing at heritage for years as we have been making recommendations to states on what their laws ought to be. i did a series of studies that disclaimed voter id keeps people from voting. it is untrue. the evidence shows that is not the case. we have this election fraud database. we are up to over 1300 cases. we have a new project we are working on this year, we are going to create an election integrity index that is going to rate every single state in the country on how good their laws are. [applause] >> i've got to turn to christian. can you name me one excellent organization, this is a softball. >> public interest legal foundation. we stopped virginia last year. they issued rules to allow late ballots with no postmark. we sued and we won. you don't hear that very much. [applause] we stopped virginia from allowing late ballots with no postmarks. it was a bleak landscape with one diamond. you have got to fight. the fight is going to happen in two years. >> time is running short. when you see these gentlemen on fox nation, another excellent organization, listen to them. i am sure you must have social media accounts, look them up. follow them. read their stuff. john, let me give you the last question, what are your parting thoughts of wisdom? >> if we can stop hr one, if we can get the 27 states with republican legislatures, and most of the swing states, if we can't separate the week from the chaff, exaggerations from reality, we can have a cleaner election system in 2022 that we can be proud of and we can be confident that the election will be free and fair. i believe we will recapture the house in the senate. [applause] for all of >> now. you will be able to go directly to your member of congress and tell them what you think about hr one. if you do not have the cpac app, you can go to conservative dog org -- conservative.org. tell your members of congress what you think and make sure your friends know how they can do the same thing. thank you gentlemen. [applause] ♪ ♪ [indiscernible] -- sunday. >> you could say he lost the election -- >> he did. >> he can say he lost the election -- >> he did lose the election. >> -- insists trump shouldn't be held for the insurrection. >> you don't know what you're talking about. why wouldn't you deal with that reality? [indiscernible] >> liz cheney did it, mitch mcconnell dated. >> if you want to highlight the -- [indiscernible] you can't say they never said it in words. give me the words. and then i have to deal with the fact that maybe somebody i like did something i don't appreciate. give me one word they say. >> one final question. one last question. >> [indiscernible] >> this ally that joe biden still -- this lie that joe biden stole the election, are you concerned about having a president here at cpac where he is going to continue to say the election was stolen? that's not true. >> were there any illegal ballots cast in that election? >> i suppose. >> how many? >> bill barr said it wasn't enough to overturn the election. >> bill barr had court decisions -- >> [indiscernible] >> you just told me there was legal voting in the last election. you don't know how many. did you sit down with a pen and a pad -- let me finish. did you go through the information that patriotic americans came up with? >> it was not enough to overturn the results of the election. >> how could you know that? >> trump lost by 7 million votes. there's just no way. >> read the new york times, read the washington post. [indiscernible] you just said that conservatives spurred violence, but you can't give any words. >> [indiscernible] >> you said there was a legal voting, but you have no idea -- >> isn't this the big lie conference? >> you're comparing me to --? >> know i am not. [indiscernible] >> i love you, i am glad you are here but you are wrong. you are just wrong. [indiscernible] ♪ [applause] announcer: ladies and gentlemen, this conversation is tough love. an assessment of the republican party. please welcome from ave maria radio, neil hudson and from the american conservative union -- [applause] ♪ >> let's hear it for the man who took down jim acosta. [applause] >> my friend of over 20 years, i expect nothing less. >> thank you. >> before i question matthew, i want to ask you all three questions. are you canceled? are you fighting for the men and women who are -- every day by media hatred? are you fighting for them? [applause] >> what? >> yes! >> over here, are you fighting for them? [applause] are you going to proclaim god's truth about human life in the face of media hatred? [applause] >> that is a good way to get started. i like that. >> matthew, i have not shared any of these questions with you, correct? >> that is right. >> all of these are going to be -- >> that's right. >> matt and i are writing a book with the provisional title, "cancel culture." i am going to quote a line that matt wrote in the very first draft of the first chapter, which i think is a great place to start this conversation. here's what you wrote. "our american moment is when you refuse to wear their shame." what do you mean by that? >> they are trying to make us all feel like there is something bad about us. our politics either originated in hatred and animus, or that is what inspires us. if i -- if they can find any little flaw come a witch by the way, you all have, and so do you. when they find the flock, they don't have the humanity to say hey, i've got a flaw too this day i found your flaw so i'm going to stop you. [applause] >> of course all of us are racists now because we voted for president trump. why did you write, if we can demystify the lie that most americans are racist, we can defang cancel culture? >> it comes down to racism. i remember going on msnbc with another person on the other side , and this person immediately started in on the fact that this person was a racist. that person was a racist. it took me back. i had not been called a racist so publicly, my mom was sitting in the audience. she understands because she didn't raise me to be a racist. she also came from a generation where republicans were proud to stand for civil rights. the people who teach us history and explain it on tv, they are lying to everybody by acting like the republicans were the ones pushing jim crow and the democrats were saving us from jim crow when it was just the opposite. we have to tell the truth and we have to be proud of our history. [applause] >> we have to be proud of what martin luther king told us. that we are not to be judged by our skin color. that is what i learned, and i am 71. i grew up in fort worth, texas. i had to go through the learning process. it was martin luther king who taught me, but now that doesn't matter anymore. >> it is the contrary. if we are systematically racist, if you ever see me talking in my face turns red, it's because they say we are systemically racist. what that means is america is irredeemable. you never get out of it. >> deplorable. >> we are a poison seed. we can try to make it better but there is no way out of it. the other thing is that as an individual, god created you with dignity. and when they say there is systemic racism, they are saying that even if my mom out here were my sister, even when you do the right and tolerant thing, that is overtaken by the fact that the system aims at giving white privilege and all of our individual choices are canceled out. >> i want to ask you this question about democrats. many democrats believe genesis 1:27, so god created mankind in his own image, the image of god, male and female. many democrats believe that? [applause] >> i remember joe biden saying we don't have genders. i said, that's interesting. if almost anything can be my truth, neil's you have your truth, i will have my truth, everyone has their truth, that is almost right in the sense that we believe you inform your conscience and what you come down to end what you think is right or wrong is your choice within a democracy. morley, that is flawed because you don't get to choose. >> can i do find truth for you? >> you are a professor. >> truth is the conformity of the mind to what is real. when we talk about truth, truth is measured by what is out there that we are making judgments about. it is not measured by your feelings, or sentimental aspirations. truth is determined by what is outside of us that we accurately represent in our minds and our judgments. >> there is a source of that truth. >> god created an ordered nature. read genesis. there is order in nature and natural law and it is knowable. but you can pretend that it is different that it is, and you can't live in delusion, you can live in self abasement if you choose, but that does not make it right. who is --? >> my boss. [laughter] or, in her own language, me jefe grande. [laughter] mercedes changed my life. i was one of these vagabond political people. you must know me. i was one of these vagabond political people. i was in austin on the presidential campaign sleeping on an air mattress. in someone's dining room because they took pity on me. going back and forth between kansas and washington. i thought i would be married to politics. and then i found a better person to be married to. [applause] >> what is it harder to be, president of cpac, or to work for karl rove? [laughter] >> i think i need a martini. [laughter] i will say this about karl rove coming here remains a friend and his wife is a dear friend. he taught me so much. he is a brilliant person. i am sure he and i have our disagreements about the current moment we are in. i respect people who taught me so much. as far as george bush is concerned, i know there will be different opinions. my view is you dance with the one that brought you. >> loyalty. >> he gave both -- and i lots of opportunities. i'm sure there are moments in the politics we are in today where he might see me on tv and wonder why i am saying what i am saying. what about my conscience, which i think is properly formed and i have great respect for that man and he did a lot of good. he is an example of what happened to cancel culture before we knew it. he was another republican at the national level that was completely demonized and destroyed and distorted. that is what they do to republicans at the national level. >> you talk about what you learn from karl rove, what have you learned from former president trump? about the tactic of shaming to try to destroy your political opponent. >> you all -- because you know we have flaws, and you have to hang out with me to see me maybe use amortization and use. -- words i should not use. we all get that. most of us are probably people of faith. church was packed today, congratulations. the protestant service was packed. the shabbat dinner, packed. faith matters here. we were raised with this idea of humility and an understanding that we make mistakes so that when we make a mistake and -- jumps on us, what is the first thing we are taught to do? apologize. you once said something that was wrong one time, donald trump taught us know, they are not trying to correct the record. they are trying to cancel you. stand up for what you mean when you say things. so they don't -- so they don't scare you off the stage. [applause] >> the equality act. ha ha ha. [laughter] the equality act's explicitly destroys religious liberties of people of faith in their schools , catholic, jewish, evangelical whatever, to teach them the truth about men and women. how have we gotten to the point where our government is ordering us to allow our children to be lied to and to actually believe the lie, or act like it, or else? >> let me say, this might be controversial to some, but part of my leadership of this organization, which even though what we talked about, the faith prediction -- faith tradition, cpac is not religious. it is more political. part of what we did is to say commit if you are a member of the lgbtq community, you're welcome. we want you to speak. [applause] -- spoke on this stage. i think republicans and conservatives are truly tolerant because -- was saying they are using the centrifuge, it's what they always do, they act like it is about being tolerant toward the gay community, but what it is really about is undermining this idea that you can hold on to your biblical principles both old and new testaments, have it be a substantial funding -- part of your life and as american, we understand got gave that to us. they are saying no, on certain issues it -- it starts with one issues. you can longer claim that your conscience leads you to either do something or not do something. in this case, i have all hive of my kids in catholic school. i want them to be taught the catholic faith. if the catholic faith, or another faith, can be deemed a hate group and you are not allowed to have those views or explain those views in our classroom, i do not think it is america. >> it is not just biblical teachings. from the beginning of civilization as we know it, all world civilizations have begun with the exemption that there are two genders. this is not confined just to the western tradition or the people of faith. this is throughout human history. we come upon a moment, which i would not have even had a nightmare about in my youth. i would not think it would be possible. i wouldn't even think rod sterling would have it on the twilight -- that we are now being told by our government that in the classroom, where the public or religious, you have to encourage your little children to choose their sex. [applause] >> it's the difference between an adult having legal choices and being put in positions of power, separating parents from kids to try to teach them this ideology of a genderless existence. i think the stuff tales into the next thing of conscience. right now, you should get engaged. when you have the little sisters of the poor, nuns who take a bow of celibacy, when there -- is to take care of the indigent elderly well past the age of fertility, no offense mom. [laughter] >> she never grows old. >> she doesn't. what does the modern liberal say needs to be part of the conversation between the nun and the senior? abortion and contraception. and they say we are governed by a strangely mystical, religious experience not grounded in truth? what is that truth? >> the founders were guided by that. a declaration of independence such as thomas jefferson wrote could not have been written without it being informed by western christian judeo principles. we are rooted in this. i am not saying we are a christian nation. i am saying we are a nation whose founding documents reflect and embrace western values of human equality, personal freedom, human rights and the right to pursue happiness in your way, the way that your conscience guides you. >> in america, that includes adults being able to live their lives as they wish. the modern conservative does not want to telling buddy how to live their life. we just want to follow the constitution. [laughter]-- [applause] >> we have a big visitor hitting the ground here at any time, so this is your final question. make it easy. >> i went around the lobby this morning asking people what they wanted me to ask you. person after person said, asked matt what are our marching orders? [applause] they are inspired by your fighting spirit. your articulate in this in the face of these media folks who want to distort what you say. in this room, they want to know what they can do to fight like you fight and you need to tell them what they are going to do when they go home. >> saint pope john paul ii reminded us not to be afraid. that is what [applause] [applause]is going on. [applause] >> they are trying to make you afraid that you will you lose your job if you have a mega hat. they are trying to make you afraid that your kids will be punished on social media if you have the courage to raise your hand and say you saw illegal voter fraud. they are trying to make you be afraid if you believe that this is still a great country and that when you see people torching our cities and burning down churches and defaming cemeteries and defacing statues, to say that that is obnoxious to you, especially when they go after cops. you might believe that blue lives matter. there is a consequence to be paid. the problem is there is a consequence for it can be quite nasty. if anyone raising kids, they know that. i would say this, we have to start, each one of us, saying that this is the truth. >> this will not stand. >> we are going to keep saying it. if all of us do it together, they can't shut half of us up. [applause] they simply can't. if red states would be joined by people with goodwill throughout the country, they will not cancel america. [applause] >> stay tuned for a really good book. neil is going to do most of the work. thank you everyone. >> thank you. ♪ ♪ an article please welcome -- announcer: [indiscernible] ♪ ♪ >> comey was spying on trump. the reason he was writing the memos was to create a record so that he could destroy him. i am paraphrasing, but that is pretty clear what was going on. this report confirms they went in to confront him with that ambush interview because they were trying to make a case against him. you have the fbi director under obama playing -- we are talking about spying on the trunk campaign. spying on president-elect trump. spying on president trump. comey was the chief spy and he was designated as such by barack obama because they met about this issue a day or two before in the oval office. brock obama, biden, susan rice, all of the kings horses and all of the kings men. comey was the go to guy. ♪ announcer: the president of judicial watch, welcome tom bitton. ♪ [applause] ♪ >> who was that guy? everyone else seems to be running for president, but i am not. good afternoon. judicial watch is your watchdog in washington. hillary clinton knows who we are. president knows who we are. i am not sure what joe biden knows. [laughter] millions of patriots know our heavy lifting to expose government corruption. judicial watch is famous for using foy to hear at what the government is up to. no one has done more to uncover government corruption from benghazi to clinton emails commit to the biden family racketeering scandal. [applause] >> the rule of law protects the high and low, but the corrupt deep state and partisan allies would subvert the rule of law. they aim tied by targeting former president trump with illicit spying and contemptible abuses of rights. former president trump is a crime victim. who was behind the risk corruption scandal in american history? obama, biden, comey, you know the rest. [applause] when trump raised questions about the conspiracy and biden corruption, the corrupt establishment, so panicked, failed to remove him from office with their first sham impeachment. remember, the abuses of trump are also about distracting. protecting biden, clinton and other swamp leaders from accountability for any misconduct and crimes. let's talk about the new president. no other president in recent history has been so compromised by credible corruption allegations. there is significant evidence that directly implicates president biden in critical act -- criminal activity in ukraine, china and other countries. big media, and big tech seems to be nothing more than left-wing advocacy groups, covered this up for years. the justice department and the fbi, true to form, focused on protecting biden while targeting from. when it comes to uncovering and exposing government corruption, the doj and fbi are part of the problem and have done more to undermine confidence of the american people and the rule of law then just about anyone. -- van just about anyone. -- those institutions were irredeemably compromised under obama and spent most of the trump administration either trying to destroy trump at the behest of the clinton-obama cabal or trying to cover-up the real corruption it should have pursued but never did. the failure of the justice department to hold any significant person accountable for obamagate is a scandal. [applause] biden is giving promotions to some of his obamagate co-conspirators. john durham was appointed almost two years ago and there has been little evidence of a serious criminal investigation of those implicated in spy gate abuses of trump and other innocent americans such as general plan. -- general flynn. the fbi headhunters laptop for years but did nothing but protect the biden plan. why is there not yet a special counsel biden corruption? we had the corrupt appointment of mueller to investigate non-crimes to harass president trump, but nothing yet for president biden? i call on the justice department to immediately appoint a special counsel to investigate biden corruption. [applause] let me say this to special counsel durham, reports are nice but prosecutions are better. [applause] judicial watch is not waiting on a biden special counsel or durham report. judicial watch first uncovered not congress, not the dishonest media, that hunter biden flew to china five times while his father was vice president. judicial watch federal lawsuit uncover that the obama state department noted that the russians were trolling then vice president biden's anticorruption activities in ukraine because he was compromised by hunter. and then there is obamagate. much of what we know about the obama-biden scandal as a result of our unrelenting lawsuits and pressure. who needs an oig when you have judicial watch? [applause] it was reconfirmed last year that targeting trump was all about protecting hilary over her emails. even as her cronies and enablers were in the biden white house, we are supposed to forget about the clinton email crime. additional watch for members. america remembers and still watch -- america remembers and still wants justice. [applause] by the way, it is official. we can impeach former presidents and government officials. [applause] so, should we now impeach obama, hillary clinton, comey and all the rest? [applause] >> maybe we can have congressional impeachments, pelosi, omar. [applause] of course the pelosi impeachments of president trump are also about election interference. the left, with the help of their allies and big tech want to interfere with our elections and sensor anyone who objects. the left did not want to remove trump because he incited violence, they don't care about violence. they use it regularly. they wanted to abuse impeachment to undermine an effective leading opposition voice. the left used the pretext of covid to rush through, contrary to law come along soft changes in election rules that saw tens of millions of ballots and ballot applications being mailed that are inaccurate. the tsunami of mail-in ballots conveniently led to chaos in many key states on election day. federal law says an election day, not a week not a month, out of winter. -- not a winter. [applause] on election day, president trump had the votes to win. [applause] these vote totals were changed because of unprecedented and extraordinary counting after election day. [applause] judicial watch long warned of the chaos and fraud from recklessly mailing 100 million ballots and ballot applications. our most recent research using data from before the election revealed 353 u.s. counties had 1.8 million more registered voters than eligible voting age citizens. in other words, the registrations of those counties, the registration rates exceeded 100% of eligible voters. in pennsylvania, our litigation to clean up dirty voting roles there uncovered 800,000 extra names on the roles. the maladministration of the elections undermined america's confidence in the fairness of our election and has significantly weakened the biden presidency. let's be clear, the left ruined the election. [applause] what we need to do is get the receipts on the 2020 election. judicial watch has 105 open record and freedom of information act requests pending on the election. [applause] another thing to do is to clean out the election roles for dirty voting roles can mean a dirty election. a judicial watch lawsuit settlement is resulting in l.a. county alone cleaning up to 1.6 million names from the roles. [applause] that's the tip of the iceberg. we are in federal court now to clean up pennsylvania, colorado and north carolina. [applause] more lawsuits are coming. believe you me. let me be clear, in case i have not been. voting by mail should be ended. [applause] vote by mail makes it nearly impossible to detect or pretend to prevent fraud. this security gap undermines confidence in the elections. unless you are putting your life on the line in afghanistan, or have other emergency reason, the law should require you to vote in person. [applause] after your citizenship and eligibility have been verified and after you show your secure photo id. [applause] no ballot harvesting. none. if elections are not secure and are conducted in violation of the constitution, many americans will vote. secure a -- secure elections will increase voter turnout. can we have a debate on this? [applause] not if big tech gets its way. text ban of president trump for blowing the whistle on the election is about helping the left. either section 230 or any other law allows -- to lie to shareholders about their censorship of conservative americans. this is fraud that should be investigated by law enforcement. [applause] as the saying goes, you can trust the communists to be communists. sure enough, communists and left partisans now seek to effectively criminalize those who advocate for free and secure elections. text censorship of former president trump and other conservative voices provides a governmental attack on the god-given right of tens of millions of americans. if you want a co-example of how the left views your first amendment right, look at the miles long barbed wire fence around the u.s. capitol. [applause] we sue the pelosi congress for capital riot emails, we want to know if pelosi and schumer are hiding. [applause] speaking of fences, let's talk about the border. biden is sticking -- seeking open border amnesty with zero regard for public health and safety. biden would nationalize sanctuary policies that are not only illegal but dangerous. he has launched the most significant attack on immigration law. i could think of an article of impeachment or two for his outright refusal to enforce the law against eagle legal alien criminals and his policies that aid in a bed child trafficking at the border. [applause] biden is worse than obama in terms of executive amnesty and in just one month has caused the humanitarian health disaster on our mexican border. what should be done on that? and sanctuary policies nationally and locally. judicial washes in california and maryland established policies that abused taxpayers. just say no to amnesty. [applause] even talking about amnesty increases illegal immigration. i have come up with a solution for the immigration crisis, enforce the law. [applause] again, only citizens should vote. [applause] we should change the laws to require you to prove your citizenship in order to register to vote could -- register to vote. there is a way forward for conservatives. the biden administration is corrupt. his party barely controls congress. president biden has a personal corruption problem. he has obvious health challenges , managing inner warfare between the corporate wing and the rising communists. there are many loser republicans who also have contempt or concerns about swamp corruption, election integrity, and accountable constitutional government. it is judicial watch to the rescue. we know what to do, sue them. demand answers. tell the truth. [applause] protect citizens under law. defend the constitution. expose corrupt politicians of both political parties. [applause] i have a note for myself, sue found she. -- sue felty -- sue fauci. [applause] as george washington said, truth will ultimately prevail where -- taken to bring it to life. judicial watch is your watchdog in washington. go to bat for you. we represent you. we defend you. we fight against you in court against those who would deny americans rule of law. thank you, god bless you and god bless america. [applause] ♪ ♪ >> welcome to the fourth annual depend conservative union conference. -- japan conservative union conference. ♪ >> my name is eduardo bolsonaro, son of the president of brazil and the most voted ever congressman in brazil. how we fight back against communists. we are here fighting back, occupying spaces and opportunities we have on the media, internet, everywhere. universities, talking with young people. i think our main two we have to do that -- main tool is the truth. telling the truth to the people is how my father got elected. i think this is the way we have to fight. they know that, so what do they do? they try to censorship us. as we are looking nowadays, especially by big tech. we don't have a solution for that, but here we are using bills, trying to approve new laws, -- trying to make sure -- has our freedom of speech not only on the internet but everywhere. thank god we are here. criminalizing -- and communists. >> hello dear friends. my name is stephen breyer to leica, native of st. joseph, missouri. i serve as a member of the croatian parliament. i am sending this message from parliament in croatia. behind me as a painting of the first democratically elected parliament in croatia from 1990. my message to you is that socialism promises heaven and delivers health. i am worried about what is happening in the united states in this new administration. unfortunately, president trump was not reelected and sadly we have the left in power. i would encourage all of you to get active, raise your voices against what you see as a clear threat to the american way of life. i am grateful i was able to be born and raised in the united states, now i live in croatia with my family. the legacy of socialism i see on a daily basis here. it is much more destructive than ordinary people can imagine. it corrupts people's moral character. it leaves a devastating effect behind in so many different ways. i encourage you to stay active, support conservative candidates in the united states and throughout the world. we will be more than happy to host cpac in croatia. god bless. >> dear fellow conservatives, name is nicholas sando director of the center for fundamental rights, a conservative research institute aced in budapest, hungary. as all of you know, communism affected hungary after the second world war. despite the heroic struggle in the 1956 revolution, it took 40 years to cure ourselves of the virus. now, 30 years after i return to the research institute. i think, as all of you know, communism affects hungary after the second world war and despite the heroic struggle and to the 1956 revolution, it took almost 40 years to cure ourselves of the virus. now, 30 years after i will return to freedom, storm clouds are gathering on the horizon again. we see an increasing sign of a new kind of marxism plaguing our friends. western forces have -- forces have deployed disinformation campaign against hungary. entire networks of so-called ngo's and biased media. leftist politicians demand action -- hungarian patriots are at the forefront of combating this -- let's seek -- the left seeks to undermined -- undermine our freedom of conscience, free space and the family. last year's cpac in washington, d.c., i truly felt these values are strong and they connect us on both sides of the atlantic. therefore, i think it is crucial for us conservatives to work together globally with the explicit aim. -- i can assure all fellow conservatives in america that they have friends here in the heart of europe. be sure that the best days are yet to come. our proudest moments are yet to be. our most glorious achievements are just ahead. >> from spain, i am the spokesperson in congress for spain's conservative party. i would like to take this opportunity to greet you. i hope you're able to take advantage of cpac to exchange ideas and vexed -- best practices to put forward -- as you know, the left, the progresses around the world are doing that. they are working really hard to -- us different places. hopefully we are going to be able to learn from each other and share what it is we are doing right and defend better platforms for our future. have a great cpac and enjoy your time. ♪ >> -- spent a record amount of dark money to elect biden. now, they are cashing in. ron klain arena dark money group, now chief of staff. from dark money to claimant advisor, canceling the keystone pipeline, killing good jobs. why won't biden reopen schools -- teachers unions and their dark money. from person delta policy, biden is starting to pay back all that dark money. >> murder is on the rise. faster than ever before. biden appointed bonita group to in the justice department. she supports defending the police. letter group wants to reduce punishments on terrorists. never cities earned, she could have stood for law & order of victims. instead, she advocated to let convicts out of jail. biden promised unity, but this is ♪ >> laser gentlemen in the national rifle association, these welcome lane -- please welcome wayne lapierre. [applause] mr. lapierre: thank you very much, good afternoon. you know, you and i have never lived through a moment like this one. i don't think there has ever been a time when anti-gun politicians have been more responsible for more tragic, needless deaths, destruction and crime then right now in our country. i am talking about -- and you have seen it on your tv screen, a wave of rigell -- of criminal violence sweeping across the nation fueled by politicians who hold a deep seated hatred for mainstream american values. and who openly despise our founding freedoms. the same freedoms we cherish, we revere, and we defend. it is all out the open, it is plain to see. the same politicians who want to disarm us and unlock prison cells and release hundreds of thousands of violent felons into the street. the same governors and mayors who are dismantling the police are actively working to make sure criminals with guns never face justice that are laws demand. and, millions of americans as a result are forced to live in fear. as lives are cut short in chicago, new york, l.a., philadelphia and dozens of other cities across this nation, what are gun ban politicians doing? they are painting a bright red target on freedoms back. and they are claiming that your values and your law -- and your lawfully own guns are the root cause of the anarchy their policies create. it is insanity. nearly every big city in america is experiencing it. last year, and gun control -- in gun controlled chicago, criminal gun use rose nearly 60%. there mayor -- the mayor blames lack of gun laws in other states. in new york city, new york -- illegal shootings double in the last year and homicide rose 30%. mayor bill de blasio blamed the coronavirus. then he went out and disbanded his anti-crime unit. in houston, homicide was up nearly 50%. and drug and gang related murders, as well as the city's revolving door criminal justice system, was responsible for it. they kept criminals out of jail and kept them on the streets. what was mayor turner's response? he went out and locked arms with michael bloomberg and attacked law-abiding gun owners. let me tell you right now the dirty little secret politicians and the media will not tell you, they have the power, right now, today to clean up their cities. to save hundreds of thousands of lives. and put violent crime to a virtual end. all they have to do is enforce the existing gun laws. that is it. go out and do your job. if you really want violent crime -- want to reduce violent crime, take violent criminals off the street. when you do that, do you know what happens? crime goes down. everything else is smoke and mirrors. if you could do that right now, mayor bill de blasio. protect the innocent, mayor lightfoot. at safeguard your city, mayor turner. enforce the laws of the books and prosecute the criminals. do it. you have no excuse. but, you know what? and here is another dirty little secret gun ban politicians like biden, shooter -- biden, schumer and pelosi will not tell you. they are using rising homicide statistics as political fodder in their warped crusade against the second amendment. criminals committing crimes with guns gives them the platform they need to lie and attack your freedoms. it keeps the tv cameras always pointed in their directions. and it keeps an endless stream of money flowing into their campaigns from billionaires like michael bloomberg. what a sick, twisted business therein. yeah. they would rather get tough on the law-abiding then go out and get tough on criminals. they would rather kill the second amendment then save lives. they want each and every one of us to be forced to confront people with empty hands. -- confront people with -- confront evi with empty hands. it is wide open forl. surrender the streets, and then hold freedom hostage and demand that on assume since -- that honest citizens like you and me give up our guns is the price for ending the criminal bloodshed that their policy has enabled. [applause] and now, it is not just our second amendment rights at stake. it is our country as we know it. and literally, our right to survive. gun hating politicians, big tech, the media, they are all working together to shave us, censor us, cancel us and have a submit to their demands. that we surrender our freedom and the right to self-defense to reserve only for politicians and the wealthy elites. but, let me tell you, right here and right now, the nra will not submit. we will not allow them to define the second amendment in their terms. we will not surrender our freedoms. i promise you that. [applause] in fact, we have our own list of demands. before one more innocent american becomes a needless casualty, before one more hard-working mom or dad becomes a tragic crime statistic. before one more honest citizen becomes another chalk line on a city sidewalk, we demand the politicians enforce the laws on the books. we demand the criminals do hard time for hard crimes. we demand that taxpaying citizens get the police protection they deserve. [applause] and we demand that every law-abiding american has a sacred right guaranteed by our constitution to keep and bear arms to protect ourselves and our loved ones. [applause] our demands are for justice. our demands are deeply rooted in the constitution and the guiding principles of freedom that make america the greatest nation in the world. as we gather here today, we exercise our right to jointly express our beliefs with the eyes of the nation upon us. that is a good thing. because, every american deserves to hear the truth. but, there is a difference between free and honest debate and censorship. there is a difference between the rule of law and the rule of man. and, there is a difference between peaceful protests and bob tierney. there is a difference between a criminal with a gun and law-abiding citizens with a done -- with a gun. these are basic truths. and no matter how much our political opponents and their dishonest allies in the media try to twist them and pervert them and destroy them, the 5 million men and women of the nra will always fight for them. i promise you that. [applause] our fight is for what is good and natural and pure. the appeal -- we appeal to the best instincts of humanity, freedom for all regardless of gender, race or creed. individual liberties and the responsibility that comes with it. respect for the rule of law. love for country and for our fellow americans. if you, as you sit here this afternoon, believe in these principles, if what i have just described sounds like you, then that your natural home is right here with the national rifle association of america. you know it as well as i do. politicians let it out. principles never do. and it is by finding on principle that the national rifle us nation -- national rifle association is the holders and most successful civil rights association and the history of mankind. in fact, throughout her history, the nra's fight for civil rights has not only been affecting our second amendment but the first amendment. 18 years ago, politicians in washington tried to muzzle free speech. it was the nra and the american civil liberties union fought back. and today, as governor cuomo and the attorney general letitia james try to weaponize government power to silence and destroy your voice, my voice, and the voices of nra members, we are fighting back again with the help of others and the american civil liberties union. not only to defend our right of free speech but the first amendment rights of all americans for free speech. you see, what cuomo and james don't understand is they cannot kill the nra. they can't. we are not just a concrete building in washington, d.c.. just outside of the city. the nra and our values, our passion and principle, they beat strongly and the hearts of tens of millions of americans all across the nation. so, sorry cuomo. sorry, james. you can no more kill the nra that you can stop the sun from rising in the east. [applause] you know, you probably heard me say this before but it is true. when you stand for freedom, you get more out of it. and nra members standing together over the past four decades have achieved a historic restoration of freedom for which all americans can be thankful. what i beg you -- but i beg you, never forget that it all could have been lost like is sadly the case in so many other countries. but, all of this is bigger than the nra. it is about constitutional freedom for all. and, because of all of our success right now, we are fighting politicians and regulators determined to weaponize government power and destroyed with the nra does. simply because they don't like us. and, because we win. it's -- if what is going on right now, and i am going to say this slow because that is true, it is the most appalling deviation from the free and open society that the united states of america has ever seen. that is why we, at the nra, have filed two first amendment lawsuits that put the nra at the tip of the spear fighting for constitutional rights of all groups in this country. and, on top of that, we recently announced we are pursuing a reorganization plan under the protection of the u.s. bankruptcy code. the nra is creating a blueprint that will allow us to continue as one of the leading civil rights organizations in the world. and, pending approval of the court, we plan to reorganize in the state of texas. [applause] away from the toxic political environment of new york where elected officials yield their power with yet less abandon. -- with reckless abandon. where they punish tanks and insurance companies who dare to do business with e.r.a.. well, you know what? their actions only strengthen our resolve. and steal us for the fight. like right here in florida where we are today, texas celebrates constitutional freedom. i see some texans are here, all right. it is a state that offers a fair regulatory environment in a positive business climate. and a foundation from which we will build a stronger national rifle association. [applause] you know, we win because we stand for truth and justice. who is more responsible for protecting our lives and our loved ones than us. why should i have to give up my right to survive by refusing to arrest, prosecute and incarcerate violent criminals? politicians advocate their responsibility to protect us. so we are not going to apologize for defending our most basic freedoms because, far too often in a dangerous world, the second amendment is all we have. at the very root of american consciousness is a truth that i have a right to defend myself. even gun ban elitists have that truth. you've noticed they all have arm protection. they lean on political connections to game the system. and they get all of the permits they want. celebrities, billionaires, wall street executives, friends of the mayor, they get all the permits they want. they believe strongly in their second amendment rights, they just don't believe in yours. in fact, the history of the gun control movement has always been rooted in elitism, racism, terror and oppression. of the worst kind. in fact, the very first gun control laws were put in place after the civil war and were designed for the singular specific purpose of denying african-americans their secondment rights. why? because racist politicians and their allies in the kkk wanted to oppress, terrorize and murder african-americans at will without resistance. it was the nra, from its founding, that fought for and help secure the second amendment rights of african-americans and all-americans. [applause] the fact is that before the color barrier was broken in professional sports, before it was broken in schools, lunch lines, water fountains, in the media, or out there in hollywood, before all of that and since our founding 100 50 years ago, the national rifle association of america has not only welcomed all american, we have fought for the civil rights and constitutional freedoms of all american. and, i promise you, we will never stop fighting for the right of every law-abiding american to protect themselves with a gun. [applause] and so, to president biden, schumer, pelosi, i say if you don't care about our second amendment right to protect our self than you don't care about us at all. don't talk to us about your plans for safety unless you defend our second amendment right. don't go on tv lamenting another tragic, violent crime and less you enforce the laws on the books and take criminals off the streets. and, don't give us your hollow, empty rhetoric because we are all on to you. we don't believe you. you are not honest. because you will deny us our most basic fundamental rights to stay alive. you know, all of us in this room today and washing around the country are still united by a single promise. it is a promise we first made when we were kids. and it goes like this. i pledge allegiance, to the flag , of the united states of america. and to the republic, for which it stands, one nation, under god, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. [applause] [cheering] [chanting u-s-a! u-s-a!] in the one and only usa, you're right. but take this to heart, don't let the chaos of current events tarnish the majesty of its meaning. we don't promise to try with convenience. we pledge our allegiance, not to who is powerful or popular but to the flag of the united states of america. and not just to its stars and stripes but to the republic for which it stands. which isn't one faction but one nation. not under tyranny, but under god. not divided but indivisible. with liberty and justice, not for a few but for all. my friends, we have now come to a point in time when the full weight of that promise rests squarely on our shoulders. joe biden and his allies in congress are publicly vowing to decimate the second amendment and destroy the promise of liberty and freedom that is america. they don't want to just regulate your gun rights or chip away at your freedom around the edges, they want to register, ban and confiscate your firearms. at the same time, they are making it easier for criminals and violent ones to roam our streets. these are the stakes that we face. they could not be higher. i know that many of you are beaten down by the endless stream of struggles the many past months have presented. they are out there working overtime to convince americans that the second amendment's days are numbered. but i say they are wrong. i say that with a full confidence because of people like you, never forget that your voice resonates far beyond this room. it carries far beyond the walls of your own home. and, when you are an nra member, it resonates even further and wider, carrying the weight of tens of millions of nra members and even more americans who support our cause and look to us for leadership. there is no more unstoppable force in the history of politics than nra members. i can tell you, beyond a shadow of a doubt, our enemies know that too. a strong nra wins. so, from where you sit right now, i am asking you please join us. join millions of freedom loving patriots all across this nation by joining the national rifle association of america. and, let history remember that when biden and schumer and pelosi and their billionaire backers try to destroy our freedom, you were there. you fought back. you stood in the breach. you defended america and our constitution. and you are the reason our second amendment rights, our american values, our freedom not only survives but thrives for decades and decades to come. thank you, god bless all of you and god bless the united states of america. thank you very much. [applause] ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> what are you doing? need a box and a shipping label? this is the sign-up -- i missed the sign-up for my health care, so now i need to look in to -- wait until next year before i get hurt. >> did you look into liberty health care? >> no. >> didn't think so. >> wow. >> ladies and gentlemen, our next pamela -- our next panel is protecting elections, please welcome your panel, from the republican national committee, tommy hicks. from the north carolina republican party, michael watley. former u.s. attorney general matt whitaker and your moderator, acu's own match lab. >> thanks, everyone. are we going to fit in these chairs? >> going to find out. >> it's great to be with you again. we're talking a lot about the election. and are you liking these conversations about what happened on election day? why are we doing it? because you couldn't find the truth of what happened on the election anywhere, it seems. yes. and then we were told that in the course of law that we lost in all of these cases, when and i believe saw firsthand that there were really no cases. as a matter of fact, the evidence that was discovered throughout the process i don't think was ever really scrutinized, and you never really got a chance to hear what happened on the ground. cpac is your first opportunity to see what actually happened on election day. and there was wide spread voter fraud, most especially in big cities run by the democrat machine. and that is fact. and we gave you evidence to underscore that fact. and what's amazing is that these democrat killer lawyers who went all over the country to either change laws, contort laws, work around laws, to get as many illegal ballots in the count as possible, now have this diabolical bill called hr-1. there's a reason they call it, it's because it's their number one priority f. they can keep every republican getting elected in where i that is a swing place or purple place, that means they have all the power to unbind the constitution at will. has everyone gotten the cpac app. we are also going to send you an email, but you're going to have messages going your devices. you can go on to your cpac app. you can go right to the button that allows you to talk to your senator or congressman and your jurisdiction. if you know anybody from west virginia or arizona or these other states, it's very important that they send their message as well. we're going to have an all-out push on hr-1. and we need your voices. now, matt whitaker, general whitaker, how crazy is it that this new socialist democratic party, they want it to be states rights when it suits their needs until they get all the power at the national level and then they want to nationalize it. >> hr-1 in the election arena, and it's to do the things that happened in pennsylvania, arizona, where judges overruled the state ledge -- ledge tures, sandultly as we were talking about backstage federalize a lot of these election techniques that expand voting without the integrity that's necessary to know that sort of one voter is casting one legal vote. so i mean, i know you have a lot of experience with this, too. >> yeah, what question in north carolina was wets we had over 500 attorneys that we recruited and trained t. took two years to do t. we had thousand of volunteer observe there's we brought in and trained, so in every single one of our 100 counties, we were on the ground on election day, we were there doing absentee votes and early votes. we had a recount. we had every hearing covered. and we were going to be there. we were going to let everybody know we're going to be there, every single day. and we ended up having pretty good conversations with most of our county boards of elections because they want to do the right thing. but our state board of elections, which also tried to do the sandue settle, we took them to court. we sued them four different times, took them to the supreme court and made sure we were going to keep everybody aware that we were aware, and if they were going to do anything, it was going in broad daylight and on camera. >> with efforts like h.r. 1, you're seeing, they're going to want to open up the early voting window even more locations, more ballots, and then they're going to want to extend that post-election counting to make sure that they can find the necessary votes to win close locations. >> or you could have an election year. doesn't have to be an election date. >> well, thank god for the judges that president trump nominated and we had confirmed, because that's where it's going to go. >> yeah, it is where it's going to go. now, chairman, you look so young, but you're a veteran. and you're a veteran of the 2000 recount in florida, like i am, and we have all these kind of more establishment voices even our own party, which were proud republicans telling us that voter fraud isn't a thing that they don't ever go into a back room and use that dreaded term "steal it" n. 2000, was anybody on the bush-cheney campaign worried they might steal it? >> i got to till, one of the great e things about the 2000 recount was getting a chance to meet this guy down in florida. he has been fighting this fight since 2000 as well. what was amazing then was it was really the first time that republicans got down into the trenches and fought. and we had 500 attorneys on site. we had several hundred attorneys, i was on a legal team broward county, and we knew if we were not there, they were going to steal it. we caught him with chads, taped chassd, and with punch chads and all of these things, and now it's all electronic. but as matt said, if we're going to have the voting that's going stay sandope we're going to have the counting that's going to stay open, then we're not going to have any assurity of that. and so it is important for us. absentee voting can work, but it has to work with voter i.d. it has to work with you requesting a ballot, you getting a ballot, filling it out, signing it. you getting a witness, the witness signing it, you sending it in. it's not mass mailing of ballots out to everybody the way we're seeing in california, new york and other states. what we need to do is make sure that we are there and committed as a party on day one. when i got elected in june of 2019, the first thing i did that month was set up a goal of getting those 500 attorneys, and everybody looked at me like why are you doing this? we need to be lawyered up. i'll tell you, the litigation costs and the work that the r.n.c. has done to make sure that they have the resources there for all of the recounts are going to be absolutely important as we're moving forward. >> so when we talk about the 2000 republican count, do any of you remember the brooks brothers riot? it's interesting, it wasn't a riot, but it was a protest when republicans protest, they call it a riot. when liberals riot, it's just a peaceful protest. one of the things we got to deal with. but you know why we did that in dade county? question that because they took all those ballots away from the observers, behind doors with no windows. so they could finish up the count. now, i know we're told in this day and age they might do something like that because they don't want anybody to catch a virus, but that virus actually is china corona, it's election fraud. and tommy hicks of florida was one of the states, i know ron desantis started off cpac the first day, but florida is one of the states that did the right thing immediately under governor desantis. >> within his first month of office, he weeded out corruption, fired a couple of election officials. he did a great job. and the r.n.c., we're going to be much more proactive. we did really well in some states, north carolina, iowa, florida. florida state joe gruders is going to be the chair of our election integrity committee. we're really excited about that. we had our first call last friday, but we were going to be proactive and make sure that everybody is confident that their vote counts. >> that's right. matt, you're originally from iowa. >> yes. >> and i met your -- >> proud iowan. >> i met your parents on the campaign trail in iowa. iowa did it right, too. >> they did, but it's been a several year process. they passed voter i.d. law, which means that you need a valid identification that they can compare to the voter rolls. and then it was kind of under the radar, but this year there was a huge battle in iowa where a couple of democrat state auditors who run the elections sent out pre filled in absentee ballot requests forms to every single registered voter. and it included this unique p.i.n. that only comes with your card, and so they sort of completed that process for someone to request the absentee ballot. went to court. good lawyers on our side. got that reversed. thode those auditors had to call back all 50,000 of those voter applications and redo it to make sure that that p.i.n., a unique one for every request. and that really, i think, is a double check on making sure that legitimate voters are voting their legitimate ballots. again, the proof is in the pudding. we had not only -- this is a novel idea, tpwhut iowa, we counted all the votes by election night and said that joni ernst was reelected and trump won the state of iowa, and that's how you do it. >> i love the simplicity and straight forwardness of the midwest. we need it everywhere. but chairman watley, when you saw what was happening on election morning, the next morning, strange, halting of counting, strange the day before observers being kicked out, construction paper going up over windows. these are all the -- you do tend to go into hiding when you're about to do something you want the whole world to see, right? that's how this works. that's what i teach my children, of course. if they go in the basement, haven't seen them for three days, i assume they're doing something good, right? that's how that works. >> totally how it works, and that's one of the things we were very proactive in doing. we had a significant amount of time with the republican members of the county boards of elections. we had our attorneys that were out there. and we told them, we're going to be there. we had kin county where we've had issues in the past, we called zphem said, hey, we've got a team of attorneys we're going to have at your hearing tomorrow, when and where is it? it's on the website. i know, but then i don't get to call and you tell you i'm bringing attorneys. we were going to be there. we made sure we were there. we had social media posts. we had everything else that was out there so that they knew if this happens we were going to scream bloody murder. unfortunately in north carolina, because we put so much pressure on the system for a gleer advance, it really came down to being a pretty clean election. >> now, tommy hicks is from the great state of texas, where i spent time as a kid in houston. texas was a little tighter this cycle. and texas is always the story of the red state we're going to lose. every signing he will, we're going to lose it. ted cruz, they said, was going to lose to what, what is his name, robert francis, o'rourke, best to, the guy is always talking from a very high perch. >> with hands. >> i'm not going to use my hands now. are you doing the right thing in texas? >> we are. by the way, people are moving to texas from all over the country because we have smaller government, no taxes, no income tax. and we need to put signs up by the airport that just reminds people who move from california to leave their votes there. >> that's right. by the way, can i encourage you -- florida kind of outbid you to get cpac. you can join that bidding. >> we'll have to work on that. by the way, great job with cpac this year. >> thank you. >> you think you're doing the right thing to make sure that they can't do what they did in these other states? >> absolutely. we need to establish best practices from the states that did it right, make sure that every state has the opportunity to understand what works, what didn't work, as with any organization, you should constantly be trying to improve. that's what we are going to do. but in texas specifically, you know, we're going to invest in texas. we're going invest in all states. every single state is in play. we're going to have a massive, massive vict any 2022, and we need one to save our republic because of what the republicans have been doing the last 35 days. >> let me put you on the spot, and we're going to become, i think, good friends, and i have a lot of respect with what you're doing. i think what the people want to know from the perch of all of you who have republican positions, you're excluded until you become the senator, matt. which i think could happen. can we have on speed dial the very best election attorneys to combat perkins, the same law firm that give us the dirty russian dossier, to compete against them, are we ready for that? do you think we'll get that done? >> we'll have a permanent presence inside the building now. we're going to make sure that we have the best lawyers we can get. we will be proactive, not reactive, and that's what it's going to take. this is the first time in over 30 years that we've been able to have true election day operations because of a consent decree that we had signed. so that's part of our improvement. we will have the best legal representation possible, and we have a great team. the 22 people on the committee for election integrity are fully committed, and they're going to meet weekly and very resourceful. >> and i think you should put mike nell charge, by the way. >> i'll tell you this. we used one of three main republican firms for our national coverage, as well as lined up about six different firms in north carolina. our legal budget was three-quarters of our operating annual budget. and we -- >> you say that like it's a bad thing. >> there you go. >> but it's worth every penny, right? we had a recount in our chief justice race that came down to 401 votes. you can't tell me in 100 north carolina counties they couldn't have come one four votes if i didn't have lawyers and attorneys there in every single one of those counties. the democrats filed protests in 92 of our counties. i paid over $750,000 in legal fees just to make sure we were countering on those protests. this is going to have to be part of the republican establishment going forward, and i'm really glad that sandron tommy and the r.n.c. are committed to working to make sure that we have the legal resources that we're going to need, because this is going to be lawsuit after lawsuit after lawsuit. >> that's just the reality. the thing is, as you guys look at polls in your states and everything else, look at the states that held. iowa has some tight polls. most of those polls were inaccurate, quite honestly. >> fake news. >> fake news produced fake polls. so it's the one thing we always note. but what ends up happening in the states that do proper election day following the law and integrity is the polls get better. so iowa held or got better. the team ohio, the polls didn't get as tight. they actually widened up to something like eight points. that's when you know you have election integrity. when you went to arizona post-election day and there was all of this, that was the state, i give matt a lot of credit. as soon as he saw what happened on election day, he was on airplane straight one of those, so thank you. >> and weighed lot of patriots go out to try to make sure that the shenanigans that we described both from 2000 and this year weren't allowed. but we saw each one of those cases, each one of these lawyers seems to understand that their case may be the most important. maricopa county in arizona, for example, the judge held open registration for about 10 more days. they registered 14,000 more voters in that time period, and we lost maricopa county by just thousands of votes. so it's hard to say direct it will made the difference, but it actually at the end of the day every single one of those lawsuits has to be fought and made sure that the law is followed. because that was an illegal order from a judge. but how do you put that toothpaste back in the tube? >> you can't. >> the dye is cast, and you have 14,000 more registered voters and you lose it by about 5,000 votes in arizona. we kept getting that margin down every day, and we'd get updates. but should it be like that? should it be that hard to count votes? i mean, again, ohio had their votes on election night. texas had their votes in election night. north carolina, florida, iowa, these places that do it right, this should the model for every state. because, again, it is not only about election integrity, it's about election confidence. we have to believe that the result is the result. >> we do. and we were the most litigious we've ever been going into this election. and rona is proud of that. but we don't have enough people running for local office and state office who can actually fight for election sbeg r. i'd like to encourage everybody who can to get involved and run. >> for sure. if you can determine who's america's idol in a couple of minutes, you can punch something into your phone -- >> i was thinking "the bachelor." >> oh, "the bachelor," get uber, uber eats, we do these things instan tainls. so when a state says it's very complicated, so many more votes, come on, we've got the computer technology to do like amazing things very quickly. if kentucky, who's here from kentucky, if kentucky can determine their statewide winners by dinner time, why do big cities run by democrats have to have days and weeks like what we saw? >> gee, i wonder. >> yeah, i wonder, that's exactly right. i just want to say this about judges. i know we all revere judges and we're glad that we have good judges. but there's another side to that. we also have judges that aren't good. we have judges that don't follow the law. we have judges that care more about getting invited to the country club to be with the powerful people in their city or community, to get a foursome of golf than actually do the right thing. and so when anybody in the media tells you that, oh, you had your chance in court 60 times or whatever the number is, just so you know as you're talking about this, i don't believe, and i've not seen evidence that all of this amazing boxes and binders and in our demace nevada, it was a car load of evidence of illegal voting that was found by volunteer attorneys and volunteers generally, and god bless them for what they did, but jrks because they ruled in 20 minutes, in 20 hours, and it was like these immediate rulings saying, if you really look at the rulings, they never say we looked through all the evidence and didn't find the evidence compelling. and almost every case what she said was it's just too hot politically in their own legalese. we don't want to touch this. we saw the violence at the summer. we saw what happens when you say things that the news media will call "the big lie," and we don't want any part of that. >> the good news is because donald trump, we now have a 6-3 majority on the supreme court. and that's where these issues, as we move forward to 22 and 24 are homely going to have to be vetted to make sure we have election integrity, because i know we maybe were caught a little flatfooted for the four years leading up to 202, but we're not going call it flat flooded on these issues. >> can we stop h.r. 1 or do you think it's going to become law? >> i think we absolute have the to stop it. we got to put every bit of pressure we can on every single member of the senate. we need to put pressure on arizona and west virginia like you said. we cannot let -- this is the single biggest assault on election integrity in the history of our country. >> that's exactly right f. we lose, folks, basically it cancels your ability to have these common sense reforms like receive even in florida, ohio, iowa, like we've seen in north carolina, texas, so you have hope, right, tom snie >> i can't see how the people of west virginia or arizona could ever get behind h.r. 1, and i hope their senators and democrats understand that. >> i hope you appreciate why we're going through all this evidence in painstaking detail. if you're from iowa, if you're from ohio, if you're from north carolina, if you're from florida, your people did the right thing, and so thank them. so as we fight against h.r. 1, don't forget to pass someone on the back and say job well done, and i have to really applaud governor desaints for what he did near florida. doing a great job. thank you all very much. >> your idea is innovation are precious. don't let steal your treasure. support american innovation by passing the stronger patents act. you will be helping american inventors and our economy. learn more at savetheinventor.com. >> stolen inventions. tell no tales. stop big zpeck their patent pirating ways. support american innovation by passing the stronger patents act. you will be helping american inventors and our economy. learn more at savetheinventor.com. >> what are you doing, training for the circus? >> no, no, i'm trying to sign up for my healthcare a. lot of hoops to jump through. >> did you look into liberty health share? >> no. >> didn't think so. >> ladies and gentlemen, our next panel is protecting elections part seven, pandora's ballot box, what's next. please welcome your panel, from the american conservative union foundation, john fund of the national review, former u.s. administrator of the e.p.a., andrew wheeler, and your moderator, the american conservative union's first vice chairman, charlie. >> thank you for deciding to be with us rather than by the pool this afternoon. and as you know, we've been discussing a lot about protecting our election this is week, and with good reason. we come to number seven of this series, because we all believe that confidence in the integrity of our electoral process is really at the core of our constitutional republic. and so today to discuss the principles of protecting elections and election integrity are three very distinguished panelists. to my next is andrew wheeler, the former administrator of the environmental protection agency, but he also has a very distinguished record in electoral process. in the center, john fund, whom i know you all know from the national review who has written extensively through the years about the need to protect elections, and as was introduced off stage, denise cohen, an election lawyer who now heads up the american conservative union foundation's center to protect elections, which is being launched today. i want to let you lead off by perhaps telling us an anecdote or two about your experience with the electoral process and where you see us going and how the principles of zpree fair elections work into all this. >> sure, first of all, as a member of president trump's cabinet, i was not involved in the 2020 election either before or after election day. so i don't have information that the trump attorneys had. but my involvement in elections goes back to 1998. i worked on every election since then. and i have a lot of issues with the increased number of mail-in voting that we're doing and the mail-in ballots. i've seen problems in the past. and one year in particular was in 2004 in ohio. i actually worked on the bush-cheney re-elect in southwest ohio with dan schneider, here at cpac. the two of us were in charge of the voter integrity for that area. in ohio that year for the absentee ballots, the instructions told people to put a first class stamp on your ballot and mail it back in to the county board of elections n. my hometown in ohio, which is about 65, 70% republican, the post master in my hometown decided that the ballots needed an extra penny stamp. instead of returning them to the people or sending them to the board of elections, he directed his employees to stack them up in boxes. we found out from an employee of the post office two days before the election that there were hundreds of ballots in boxes waiting in the post office to be delivered this had not been delivered. the county republican party went in, offered to pay the postage for all of them. he refused. so we had to get a local attorney to go to a judge and get a court order to have these ballots sent in to the board of elections in time for the deadline. that just shows when you you increase the variables in elections, you increase the opportunities for individuals to get involved and do mischief. and that really does concern me. the party did a much better job, i believe, in the past as far as monitoring these things. we were in ohio a month before the election, training attorneys, training observers, and that hasn't happened as much in recent years. we need to get back to that. >> john, there's probably no one who has written more extensively or studied this more than you have. given what's gone on in 2020 and what we see looking down the road, what are the most important points that you believe exist with respect to protecting the integrity of the he leble early to process? >> charlie, we have to recognize that this issue has changed. there used to be bipartisan support for clean and fair elections. jimmy carter co-chaired a federal commission on election reform with james baker, the former secretary of state, and they agreed by a vote of 18-3, bipartisan, for example, the voter i.d. should not standard for the country. they agreed on other things. it was john paul stevens, the most liberal member of the supreme court that wrote the opinion upholding the constitutionality of photo i.d. that was the past. now we have a hard left that has taken over the democratic party and has given us h.r. 1. you heard about the horror stories on that. >> we're going talk a lot about h.r. 1 in just a minute, but go ahead. >> i know, but that's how much things have shifted. let me give you an example of where the hard left has operated. there's still some sensible democrats, so martin luther king iii and andy young, the former mayor of atlanta, jimmy carter, and even bill clinton five years ago at a conference to celebrate the voting rights act, and they agreed, why are we fighting spending all these hundreds of millions of dollars fighting about voter i.d., let's get people get one. let's get one, because you can't be part of the mainstream of american life. you can't travel. you can't get medicare. you can't get anything without an i.d. so get let's them one. and they said, ok, the states will continue to run the election, but let's have a fail safe. if you can't get a state i.d. for free, let's have for nine cents a card, the social security card can that will be enough for you to vote. they took that idea to the obama white house. the obama white house said, sounds like eric holder. eric holder says, we have to run this through our liaison with the minority community. so nothing happened. perfectly sensible idea. i was willing to go with it. we can't do it. our liaison says it will disturb the existing local community practices. who is your liaison? it is al sharpton. [laughter] there is a reason why the hard left is going to oppose everything on election integrity. something is going on behind the election curtain that they don't want you to see and don't want you to know about and their friends in the media are in denial about it. [applause] >> you are a noted election lawyer. you are now going to head up the ac uf center for protecting the integrity of elections. give us a breath of fresh air and tell us why this is important and what you will be doing. >> it is important because no other rights that we half mean anything if we don't protect the right to vote. everything else can get trampled on, especially right now with the censorship at hr1, so voting is the most important thing we can do. we are going to focus on it based on this horrendous situation in 2020. it will work best if all of you get involved with us. i will go about how you can get there. we are going to take a look at what happened, what went wrong, from many perspectives, not just the litigation, but from what the left did right, what republicans did wrong, what happened with big tech and the media. we are also going to look at the impact of this, then we are going to move forward, we are going to go to state legislators to be set these election laws, make them secure. [applause] make sure our elections are not federalized. the constitution says these need to be run out of the state. we need to make sure that not a single republican will vote for hr1 but we will do our best it does not just to make sure it does not past. -- we will do our best to make sure it does not pass. >> let's talk about hr1 because this is the so-called for the people act. nancy pelosi has made it her number one priority, which does the opposite of what each of you have talked about with respect to the integrity of elections, it federalized's elections, overturns that reapportionment process, put it in the hands of circuit court judges in the district of columbia, it up turns a number of state laws, and has a negative impact across the board on the integrity of elections. a, can it be stopped? will all of you help out with a massive, grassroots opposition to hr1, letting your senators know, letting your representatives know that this is important to all of you? john, i will go to you first. why is hr1 so bad and what needs to be done to stop it? >> it basically will sweep away almost every election safeguard the states have erected to make sure elections are fair. of course, i want everyone to vote. we have to help america vote act in 2001, that was bipartisan. christoph said in america, we can make it easy to vote and hard to cheat. hr1 is about destroying all the protections we have, and, by the way, extending the federal election commission from six members to seven members so one party can have a majority and change the election laws. it is a disaster. in fact, i believe that it is so important that we stop this, even fighting that $1.9 trillion stingless bill. >> you talked about federal lysing election law, that is what hr1 does, even to the point of stripping states of their power to clean up voting rolls. >> well, it is an overreach in every manner that you can look at. one of the things we did not talk about is what they are doing with funding. i don't know who has heard about this 6-1 funding matching, anyone gives up to $200 to a campaign, it will be matched, 12 hundred dollars, taxpayers. if you don't have the money to do $200, there will be a $25 voucher which will also get matched. >> in the help america vote act in 2001, chuck schumer was a junior senator. he said when that failed was up for a vote, of course we want to keep the states running our elections, that is in the constitution. we would never have congress over by the states. nobody is contemplating that, and now chuck schumer is leading the fight to destroy the 250 year tradition of the state run the elections and the federal government will be dominating it. >> where can it be stopped, how can it be stopped? what can every person do? >> nancy pelosi has promised favors to every democrat in the house, every democrat in the house is a cosponsor. there can be progress with the to the two democrats who are in trump districts because they might be -- with the 22 democrats who are in trump districts. i think it can be stopped in the senate, there has to be 60 votes, but i think there are even a couple democrats you might say a bill with 23 pages in its table of contents is not a bill we can ram through in three days. how much debate has there been? almost nothing. i think it can be stopped in the senate. if it is not stopped in the senate and gotha joe biden, he will sign it and here is where they are closing the door to challenges. they stipulate in the bail that any legal challenge must be heard by one court, the district of columbia circuit court, which is dominated by the appointees of harry reid to break a filibuster several years ago. >> is this a classic example of putting the rabbit in the hat? >> this is the hawk eating the henhouse. [laughter] >> i agree and it has to be stopped in the senate and it can be stopped in the senate but we should also look at -- over the panels, we have seen examples of what is happened. we need to look at what has happened in california and how they have handled their elections with one party rule. i have a cousin who lived in california, moved away after five months, never voted there, he got an email this past october saying your ballot has been mailed to you. has not lived there for 20 years and he got an email to an email address he did not have while he was there. we have to take a look at what california has done with one party rule where they have completely run the elections. i understand they are doing more id right now on the newsom recall petitions but trying to put integrity to stop the recall , but we need to take a look at what they have done. >> we have talked a lot about election integrity and what the folks in this room can do in their communities, because all of this recognizes that every improperly or fraudulently cast ballot cancels out the vote of a law-abiding citizen who did it the right way. >> that is voter suppression. [laughter] >> that is total voter suppression. real quickly, folks who are involved in their local parties need to be making voter integrity and election integrity a key part of their election programs. >> i will go even further. many of you are active in your local republican or conservative organization. going forward, if your state, local, or national party does not have as part of its core mission election integrity and a plan to hire the lawyers before the votes are cast, rather than after, to have a legal strategy, people trained in this who are not going to get into trouble because they don't know the rules, if you don't have that, you might as well not have a political party. it is that important. the rnc says it is going to do a good job, we have to make sure they do a good job. your group, denise, is going to be important. you are going to be a clearinghouse in which people can find out what is happening where and who is doing what and what best practices are. >> i want to give andrew a second for a modest proposal. >> i'm not sure where the party is on this. i think election day should be a holiday to encourage everybody to vote on election day. >> that would be a good bipartisan compromise. but i bet that liaisons in certain communities in the biden white house probably will veto it. >> if you were to have election day as a holiday, it would decrease the necessity of having mail-in voting. >> absolutely. the more variables, the more opportunities for mischief. >> early voting, at least you have the voting in a government office where you can't intimidate, coerce, or have ballot harvesting. let's have more early voting so people have more access to the polls but not sent out mail-in ballots like some states did because of covid to everyone on the list. that is ridiculous. that is a recipe for disaster. >> denise, you get the last word. >> it is important that everybody understands how individual voting, individual efforts make a big difference. i live in the door, i have a lot of friends i feel like, what is the point? i will tell you what matters. we were in georgia for the senate runoffs and republican turnout was lower on the runoff day than the general election day. fewer republicans showed up, we lost the senate. going forward, each one of us has to be active in this and it does matter. it may not matter immediate leap but it does matter. that includes writing to your legislators to tell them not to vote for hr1. after this, another one of these vote is going to be pushed out to you where you can enter your details and rights to your legislator, but please share this with your friends and if you don't get it under app, go to conservative.org where you will be able to do it from there and also see the senate to protect elections there would >> -- elections. >> we know you are not here to hear this afternoon, also thank you very much are paying attention to this important issue because we know that every legitimate vote should be counted and not one eligible to vote should be. thank you to denise, john, andrew. thank you to all of you. >> thank you. 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[applause] >> i was the first conservative reporter on the ground. >> you were the first real reporter on the ground. >> you said it, not me. >> was the first thing they did? >> they believed and strong border policies with balls, that was one thing. they helped establish guard ships to keep out what supremacists from the area. it was interesting to see because that first day, there was not much going on because police had just evacuated these precincts the night prior and the reason why this is an important discussion is because kaz was born out of riots, they were rioting outside the heat precinct. i came back from minneapolis covering that chaos and it was the city government surrendered that area to these rioters. >> this is a constitutional point. the city and the state ended up supporting these people who took control, declared themselves autonomous, their own quasi-country. the first thing they did was take people's private property, they took people's homes. they courted their soldiers in people's homes. -- quartered their folders in people's homes. >> i was there for about a week and thankfully, the people of the daily caller, they came, so i left because i was tired at the end of it. they covered the second week. it was interesting to see how it evolved in the first week. it became -- intensity group. i saw the warlord in that first night in the craziness that happened. right off the bat, i could tell this was not going to end well, and unfortunately, i was proven correct with a lot of crime, debts. -- deaths. you could tell this was not going to have a happy ending and it could have avoided if the city government will its power. there were four or five apartment complexes inside that zone. the people did not ask for that. >> capitol hill occupied protests. these were occupiers. did they safeguard the health and lives of people? >> we actually spoke to a few residents inside this zone who were not willingly -- they were not willing participants of this occupation. they were terrified. i think people did not realize how many residents lived in this area and how many businesses were in this area. we spoke to these people and they were scared and one of them was literally about to move because of this zone because police could not get in and that is a danger. we saw people get sick inside the zone and they had to be carried out into an area where police and firefighters were allowed to pick them up. that is not ideal. there was one night when one person got on a microphone and said that some local business was holding someone hostage and just like that, it turned into a mob who came through this business, you talk to the business owners after, they called the police because they said somebody was inside their shop and trying to like it on fire. >> the real police? >> yes. they said they could not help them and the result was their fence it got torn down, they had to deal with this mob. it shows that it is really dangerous. >> i keep turning back to the constitution. what is so disturbing to me is both state governments elected by the people and city governments, the mayor, governor, elected by the people, commissioners, councilmembers, they are supposed to be representing all the people and they walked away. they turned a blind eye to the occupiers and let them control. these occupiers were essentially what they were doing with the blessing of governments. which governor was the one who said this is going to be like woodstock? >> the mayor of seattle. the camera guy told me what she had said, i was losing my mind about it. i had seen vigilante mob justice that targeted this one individual, they were threatening him with violence. they say, if you are innocent, why are you running away? there was a lot of irony and it was being allowed because the city government did not want to take action. >> mob justice. this is what happens when you don't have the rule of law, you have government officials whose responsibilities to uphold the law don't uphold the constitution and protect people's private property to make sure autonomous zones don't confiscate people's property against their will. >> i don't think it is controversial to say that you can't have an area where people live and work altogether -- i don't see how that is a controversial take. i also think, julio and i were discussing this earlier, it is a little bit the fault of the media as well because there were reporters from various publications, but the big thing we saw is they would go into this area or report from right outside of it for five minutes, 10 minutes, then go away. of course, there were peaceful times in this, 2:00 in the afternoon it was fine. but the idea of a takeover that is 24 hours, it is important to not just get the things happening at 2:00, but get things happening at midnight and 1:00 a.m. because there are people living in this area, there are people working in this area, so that is part of the story as well that was not getting told. >> that was the frustrating part. oliver darcy reported, if you are listening to right-wing media, you are getting the impression that antifa took over six city blocks, which was to but the reason why he said it was not accurate as he spoke to the mayor's office and the mayor's office said they had not dealt with those groups. that is because those groups hate the mayor, they don't want to work with him. they want to get rid of the entire city government. he was writing that funding your study. -- writing that from new york city. mostly peaceful kenosha -- that is aggravating. they are gassed letting not just the rest of the country but the american citizens that were the victims of when blind water collapsed and it was not just chaz, but a lot of other cities and a lot of people that hurt and they are saying, don't believe conservative media because they have an agenda. our agenda is to report the facts. i think we did that. >> time magazine, and everybody here should have gotten an email from us a couple days ago, this time magazine article written by a very liberal reporter, it has all kinds of spin on it, but it was the first time that the liberal media acknowledged what happened in this last election. it was a coordinated attack on election laws to take down those laws and alter not only the process of voting, but the outcome of the election. the media was implicated in this by suppressing stories like this. the so-called mainstream media would not cover it. that was a time when we kept hearing mostly the term mostly peaceful protests. i remember watching a news reporter saying mostly peaceful protests and white as he was finishing that, a bomb exploded behind him. >> i remember, what was it, fiery but mostly peaceful protests. the thing is, you have to look at our reporting, at some of the independent journalists reporting. we provide videos. i was basically live tweeting the hours that i was inside chaz and inside these other areas. it gives you a good sense of, yeah, sometimes this is peaceful, but a lot of times, it is not. when you have an area where multiple people get shot and people died in the area with these shootings, it is clearly not peaceful. >> i would say that that is why it is important to have people on the ground. they would do the five-minute tv hits in broad daylight and again, there were peaceful times, but that was during the day. that is typical of any city experiencing unrest, it is peaceful during the day, but that is not the whole story. if it is chaos and anarchy, that is also very much the story as well. i saw in minneapolis, i am busy covering the craziness so i do not hear what another reporter said while there was a building burning behind him, but once i found out, are you kidding me? it was a riot. the thing that i want people to understand is that what we experienced last year, a lot of the people that were heard were minorities. in chaz, a lot of business owners were minorities and to this day, they are harassed because they spoke out i guess what happened because they were being threatened. it was like, you have to support this, and it is hurting their business because it was getting on safe now that the national media has gone away from it, they are by themselves. the city council refuses to acknowledge any of the bad stuff that happened. it is an unfortunate thing that as a minority myself, there has been a lot of people of color who were hurt as a result of this. it had nothing to do with george floyd or jacob blake, get that outrage was taken out on them and they are often left by themselves. >> just horrible. i watched your coverage, interviews by some of the big outlets. do you have any final thoughts about protecting our rights and what it means when thugs take over? >> i think the videos we took and the coverage we got throughout the whole year, it speaks for itself. all you really have to do to get an accurate depiction of what is going on is find these people on the ground putting in the hours and the efforts, it will paint a better picture. something better could have been done earlier and people would not have died. >> in >> the federal government is only so much, what we saw across the country was local cities, to highlight the importance of national elections but also local and state. when stuff hits the fan it is a real chance. unfortunately we saw that they will abandon you so it is up to you to provide results and for your safety we have rights, use them. >> if you are not reading them, you're missing out, thank you very much. 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[ad] ♪ [commercial advertisement] ♪ [political advertisement] >> ladies and gentlemen, why you should care about the national debt. please welcome your panel. louisiana representative mike johnson. texas representative chip roy. former representative of the office of management and budget. and your moderator from the washington times, charlie hurt. ♪ >> good afternoon, are you all having a good time? excellent. well, ever but he like to talk about that so i thought i would talk about -- everyone likes to talk about debt so i thought i would put it in perspective. $28 trillion. that is our national debt as of a couple of hours ago. that is $84,000 per united states citizen. $223,000 per taxpayer. remember. it is only going to get worse and when we run out of money do you think they're going to stop, asking if more money? that is when they start taking everything from you. that is why this is an important discussion because it is not about numbers and dollars about taxes, it is not freedom and is why this should be the most report initially talk about and we have a great panel here to talk about it. mike johnson, he actually knows numbers. he is a lawyer but he knows numbers, so take us you know, like ford -- going forward in terms of more numbers what we are looking at now. >> this is an important panel and the issue should be of great importance to every american. we are in out crisis. that debt deniers, tip and i were on the house floor railing against the covid relief bill you have heard about. only 9% goes to covid and the rest is government spending, why is that a problem? if you do the math for context think about this. 26 months, $9 trillion has been added to the national debt. that is more than has been added to the debt in all 72 years we have had the house majority since 1859, 26 months. if this bill passes, that is going to be $6 trillion toward covid relief in the last 11 months. for context that is more than the gross thomistic product of every nation on planet earth except the u.s. and china. this is a problem. -- we produced a budget. we entitled a preserving american freedom because that is what this is about. our budget balanced in 10 years. you know nancy pelosi did not produce a budget in the last conference -- congress, the office of management and budget produced the only one. >> one of the difficulties talking about debt, people don't want to talk about numbers. it is funny that i have all people would lead a discussion about that considering i could never balance a checkbook. somewhere my wife is laughing i am doing this. it is important to learn how to break it down. and talk about the fact it is not just about numbers, it is not something far deeper, you and i were talking before. about this endgame of all of this. talk about that. >> charlie, look, blessed to be here with mike and russ and we have worked together a lot in the past on this. there is no more important issue now than this, we are allowing washington, d.c. to take over our lives and we are paying the bill. [laughter] we are funding d.c. to take away our freedoms, that is what we are doing. mike put context on this. $6 trillion the last year. do you know how much we spent on world war ii in total? $4 trillion. what do we get out of the $6 trillion in the last year? we got a country shut down. small business going out of business, restaurants and live music and hotels closed, kids not going to school. and last week, $500 billion for local and state governments. who are responsible for setting small businesses down? who was the brave woman who stood up in the face of governments shutting down her barbershop? [applause] we have small businesses getting closed in schools getting closed , the tyranny over the mind of men. government using your tax dollars and money from china to force you to believe that they believe but we are not going to do that. keep in mind we should not be funding schools being closed, endless wars without an authorization of force and we should not be funding china. that is what we are doing. [applause] >> there's a lot to love about russ in addition to being a handsome guy. >> same hairstylist right here. [laughter] >> one of my favorite things about him is his first job in washington was working for the great senator phil gramm who, if we can make him king, he would've solved all of our problems and i remember i was covering congress at the time and daydream -- i would daydream sitting in the media galleries. i would daydream when he was in the chair would take a little white thing when no one was in the senate. and just pass a bunch of laws. that literally the guy would solve all of our problems. square phil gramm's fiscal conservatism with the america first agenda that is done so much to animate politics. >> one thing that understood implicitly in ship mentioned is when we -- ship -- chip mentioned we find a lack of freedom. a navy veteran was imprisoned by a waters of the sea regulation and spent 12 months in prison as result. is that america? that's not america. so when we are allowing to go forward it shows up. with big government taking away our life. where the america first agenda has come out this is we have to fight the issues front and center. that used to be a priority. you have heard from panelists we have to have the fiscal stability. so, from the standpoint of freedom, strength, keeping the people of this country safe, that is were fiscal response building comes in. ultimately focus on each of these. >> rush limbaugh didn't tell us ditto heads what to think, he told us how to say things, synthesize what we believed and thought into arguments we could have. i open this to anybody. how do we make, how do we make this, um, somewhat boring topic more, and y'all started to do this a little bit, more of a, a, an argument you can make so it becomes important to people that do not necessarily care about it. >> i will take a stab at it. the baton was passed to rush from ronald reagan. he said i really was not the great communicator, i was communicating great things. the things that have guided our nation since its founding. what are the great things? wiry -- why are we republican? human dignity. the sanctity of every human life. more fundamental they are quintessential american values, the nation was founded upon. the challenge we have now is not event new truths. repackaged and re-present the old, timeless truths. that is what is going to guide the nation going forward. [applause] >> charlie, i think one of the most important parts of the declaration of independence we don't talk about enough is the consent of the governed. >> amen. >> if you want to make this real life, it is consent. you in this room and the vast majority of americans are not consenting to the use of government power to target you and your families for free speech. order fund china or ran or do all the things i started to say before. or united nations human rights council that is gone after israel a hundred times and never gone after china. if you want to go to the heart of it. we have to reestablish and america -- and america first is a part of this. we have to reestablish the consent of the government -- the governed. this spending, this spending is the trick. you want to stop having government dap on the consent of the governed, stop funding government to do so? >> i want to get your thoughts on this but also address the argument that the only way out of this as you can only get out of this debt through growth. you're never going to tax your way out of it are kind way out of it. the only way it happens is through growth. i also want to hear your --. >> i agree we need to grow our way out of this. but growth is not alone the solution. we also need to restrain spinning overtime. i think this both of those things -- we need to restrain spending over time. working for president trump i come away thinking there is waste and the federal government he would see it constantly. the $1400 air force coffee cup. the bob dylan statue in mozambique. foreign aid every year, just waste. this does not help the american people be safer more secure. and we are going to have to keep going after those things and relating this to the american people. those who have had too bad -- balance their budget and produce family budgets that account for the mortgage and school costs. and also get rid of things that are flat-out wasteful. they don't tolerate in their lives. the federal government could should not tolerate it in itself. >> are there lessons? what kind of lessons can we? what states out there have lessons for the federal government to learn on this front? >> i will give a plug for florida where we are enjoying the weekend here, right? [applause] texas, tennessee, look at the demographics where people are moving into because that is an indication they are doing it right with fiscal policy and any of their means. one way we can check out what russ and chip are pointing to, we have to get rid of fraud and waste of course. but we need more accountability. we get frustrated by this daily on capitol hill. there is no transparency in the budgeting and appropriations process anymore. there was no regular process at all. we got to go on the floor and made little bit. but that's just talking points. there was no way to cut the fat and put forth with the american people really needed. got is a great frustration. that is something people can demand of congress. when we get the majority back we are going to restore order. >> i would agree with my. -- mike. i am obviously biased to taxes. we love that -- texas. i think congress ought a focus on being in washington and do their job. not that by proxy and not leave town, stay there and pass the budget. actually balance the budget. that is what we see states doing. if you want to fix america we have to look at the states and let states lead. and agree to disagree. let california be california and let texas be texas. let's fix election reform. let's look at the way states do things. at the end of the day. >> you have to do more. also cut spending, you have to do both of those. i do think one of the most important lessons we have sort of addressed here is the problem is not that the federal government does not have enough money, the problem at the end of the day is the federal government has too much and need to stop helping us so much, please. you have done enough, thanks. >> leave us alone. >> exactly. our time is up, thank you very much. remember, it is not freedom. >> thank you, charlie. >> thank you. [applause] ♪ [indiscernible] ♪ [applause] [beep] [video clip] >> is have the most impact on the national debate. >> nobody has ever seen numbers like this. >> obamacare. an inequality godzilla. >> cbs news conference 2 million americans -- cbs news confirms 2 million americans have been told they cannot renew their current health insurance policy. >> mailings are going to lose their employer provided plan. >> to bring back the individual mandate. >> there is nothing new we are doing other than restoring the affordable care act, and restoring medicaid the way it was before chubb became president. >> if you have or had one of these plans before the affordable care act came into law, and you really like that plan, what we say is you can keep it. >> if you like your health care plan and your employer plan, you can keep it. if you have private insurance, you can keep it. ♪ >> ladies and gentlemen, our next panel as health rationing versus health sharing, your savings, your freedom and your life. please welcome your panel, from liberty health share, met bellis and caroline tell. the president for the center for medicine and the public interest, peter pitts. your moderator, american conservative union executive director dan snyder. ♪ >> obamacare 2.0. that is something we shall be looking forward to? if it is a federal law and the individual mandate is there again, as the bite in has promised, what art -- as the biden administration has promised. what are your options? there is a choice. the health sharing health care system. what is health sharing? why does it work? >> health care sharing is really all of you being together and taking care of one another. that is what we normally do when things are wrong in our lives, we turn to our friends and family and our churches and community in times of need. health care sharing looks to take that model and make it effective, efficient and put everybody in a system that effectively pays medical bills. >> caroline. liberty health sharing is a health sharing ministry. how does that function? >> well it functions. the members all get together and make a donation each month, as a set. those funds go, we just facilitate the funds from ever to member. and they get to choose, which is the vital thing here. they are free to choose to be in the health sharing program. and for example, it is very important for them, for our members, that their moral conscience is protected. and they care very much that none of their money goes toward abortion and they know in a health sharing ministry it is not going to happen but they do can care of each other and they love you know the members tell me they love having big insurance and big government out of their face. and they like have -- to have their moral conscience protected, their rights protected. >> so, this is not insurance governed by an insurance commissioner in some state? >> no. >> but it is a weight that you get coverage for your health care needs -- but it is a way that you get coverage for your health care needs? >> well, they share in for their eligible health care needs. >> how does it work? >> matt, do you want to take this? >> you're doing very well, go ahead. >> it works by, i mean, we look at the needs we have. it is, you know it is very much like passing the plate at church. this is high like to describe it. we passed the plate. people give their donations. they can choose which level they want to be on. and at the end of the sunday we look at the plate and see a much money there is. and we look at the medical needs. and we dull out the money for those in need. -- we dole out the money for those in need. and it is fascinating. a lot of times we have people come every year we do, we have memories who write an extra check. there will just write a check for $5,000 and say it is a good year and i want to get back even more to the community that we are in. sometimes it is more, whatever. i don't think you see that an insurance. >> no. >> i'm not sure you see that in big government. so it is really kindness. we feel this neighbor helping neighbor, random acts of kindness, we've been able to harness that. and that goodwill and tackle this very vexing complicated problem of health care as we know it today. it is working, we have over a million people, i million americans are choosing sharing plans. >> i love the compassion behind that. but i am also practical. you know. [laughter] can i count on how much this is going to cost me on a monthly basis? >> absolutely. we as a health care sharing ministry and other health care sharing ministry have recently passed a 1.2 the billion-dollar mark in terms of sharing medical bills so it is going on right now. everybody who is a part of this is sharing medical expenses and taking back freedom in their health care. because that is something a lot of people do not realize is lost. third-party insurance. big government is demanding, and guiding and directing your health care, and your health care dollars. and this is one of the last bastions of freedom you can have in health care today, where you're making the decisions. you are choosing her doctor, go figure -- you are choosing your doctor, go figure. and you're making the decisions in health care again, so this is way americans can be part of a community that is effectively taking care of medical bills and giving them back their freedom in health care. >> what we have peter here. peter, i hope this does not match you out. -- i hope this does not rat you out, but you are an official of the department of health and human services. explain this to me. >> health care is a personal proposition. when you start putting big government or big insurance or prescription benefit managers between a patient and their health care, between a patient and their doctor, bad things happen. you know, when doctors cannot practice medicine the way they want to because a bureaucrat is telling them how to practice medicine, that is about thing. when the administrative state can with the stroke of a pen change the rules about telling anybody, that is about thing. people lose faith. regular sovereign individuals lose faith in the health care system. and when they look at something like health sharing they say wow, this is the way it used to be. this is the way i remember health care heard where we all took care of each other. doctors were not told how to practice medicine. we were rewarded for practicing medicine. good things begin to happen. my fear is under this the administration it is going to be more of a move toward uncle sam know what we need to return health care to the people at health care practitioners -- and health care practitioners. so that is the battle. and if you do not engage, let your representative know you do not like the way things are going it is going to happen. a lot of the onus of making things better is on us and citizens making sure our elected representatives understand what we want and what we do not want. very few people want the government to charge -- in charge of health care. >> look, i guess, i think i'm understanding, there are two options here? one option is where an individual can make choices for themselves and the other option is where the government is making choices for the individual? >> that is as true on the state as on the federal level but it is not allowing governments about big insurance companies that give huge amounts of money to politicians like this. they think they can take their cut off the top by denying people care. who doesn't like it, big insurance compa