powerful and they get special deals if that's true why is that long term capital still around white bear stearns some would argue operate in some ways hedge fund why did it need a bailout why did goldman sachs need a bailout the reality is that is a very difficult business for anyone to be and that's why there is so much money in the hedge fund billionaire as the cliche is a direct consequence of the basic truth the just about every hedge fund either fails we're does so poorly that we are even talk about ok so it's a story is not complete here todd let me let me go t. i mean all the way going back to george w. bush we heard about you know getting the little guy in the market you know democratizing finance here and these reddit guys really took it to heart it seems and i can i still make a strong connection maybe you all can correct me here but i think you know in looking. some of the bulletin boards of these people that were involved in this and 2008 and had a very huge impact on them and i and i'm i'm agreeing with all of you here i mean that this game stop it's more about grievance it's about