host: karl evers-hillstrom, go ahead. guest: like i was mentioning, members of congress can get paid five or six times more as lobbyists than they are paid to be memories of congress. if you are really a top member, especially if you are the chair of the top congressional committee or ranking member. those are positions that can get you the big bucks. or if you are in leadership, democrat or republican. we have seen high-profile examples of members of congress going on to become lobbyists. billy townsend, who passed the law that makes it so that medicare can't negotiate drug prices, went on to become president of the pharmaceutical trade group. just shortly after they passed that bill and he made millions of dollars. there are high-profile examples of members of congress getting paid very well to become lobbyists. host: an example of how you can use the open secrets website, opensecrets.org, you can type amazon into that website and look at their contributions and lobbying efforts over the past year. when it comes to lobb