starting to get more specifics and with the announcements of michelle brenier from the women's referee commission as executive director of the task force, you can see like maria pointed out, what advocates have been calling for, for a long time are actually becoming the realities here for these separated families. >> in and maria teresa, it was exactly what you were talking about, the advocacy groups are working with this white house, with common goals, if perhaps not the same timetable. >> exactly right. these conversations were happening the moment that it was announced that biden won the election. so this was months ahead of time. but what's also interesting is he's talking about the importance of getting buy-in from the local countries, from guatemala. he talks about how a lot of the stuff that these children had to go to the border were completely unnecessary but they were done purposefully by the trump administration. when he says that he is inheriting an agency that was completely gutted, not only do i believe it, but we see it in their inability from the trump administration to allow individual minors to go to their local embassy to seek for help, to