. >> is cy vance about to nail donald trump? joins me live. and high profile new york democrats join the calls for andrew cuomo's resignation, rebecca traifter reporting from inside the office. "all in" starts now. hello, i'm chris hayes. it's still sinking in the biden administration was able to pass this towering achievement that looked improbable even in december. think back. race called for biden. clear he was winner but sitting president was doing everything in his power attempting to overturn the election through legal and extralegal means and balance of the senate was up for grabs. came down to georgia and democrats had to win two seats and had not won a senate chair in georgia in decades. but here we are. oldest man elected president, been in public life for 50 years, ran as centrist. narrow majority came together to deliver most processive comprehensive rescue package in many generations. >> we democrats made promises, we made promises in georgia, in the country. we said if we gained the senate, kept the house and elected the presiden

vance, as well as for mr. pomerantz and for the investigation that they are now conducting. so the answer is, if i'm asked, i will do it. no different than when i was asked to appear before the congress, whether it was the house oversight or the senate select committees, all of them, the house judiciary, if they asked me to come in, i was coming in. i don't need to be forced in with a subpoena. all they need to do is ask. >> michael, thank you for taking time to join us today. we appreciate it. president trump's former personal lawyer and star witness in cy vance's ongoing criminal investigation into former president donald trump, michael cohen, he's the author of "disloyal," the true story of the former personal attorney to donald j. trump. >>> much more to get to, president biden and vice president harris made their first joint trip in office today, a trip that turned out to be very different than the one they had planned. than the one they had planned its highly active peroxide droplets swipe on in seconds. and stays on ten times longer to continue whitening long after yo

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now that cy vance is not running for this office or any office, that will be hard to stick.re running to succeed him. i think they will be well advised to be careful what they say about the case. until they see the files, they will not know the facts. there is a legal defense you can make they was singled out and prosecuted for political reasons. they have not give trump any ammunition to make that defense. >> what do you think it means? >> he is exactly right. it's a good thing to remove the political claim. once donald trump is indicted, and i'm confident he will be indicted, you will see the mother of all pretrial fights to try to prevent it from coming. any argument that he can come up with, he will, a fight that will go on some time about actually bringing it to trial. >> so, you know, we have learned, among the people that cy vance is speaking to michael cohen is on want list, and he spoke with vance's office seven times now, and last month, he told -- you told cnn that cohen could be a star witness in the case, and he tweets back at you. and to speak. what happen does

especially now that vance has his tax returns dating back eight years.derstanding is that investigators have just really begun to go through the voluminous records they received late last month, and that any decision is still likely months away. but i would definitely think that vance's investigation is what they're most worried about. that said, his business could be severely impacted by civil action, by new york attorney general latisha james if she files a lawsuit finding wrongdoing after her investigation concludes. he could be looking at serious issues for the trump organization and various subsidiaries going forward. >> joyce, let's talk more about allen weisselberg. you mentioned the interview with the ex-wife of weisselberg's son. weisselberg was like michael cohen, a guy involved in everything. he was involved with donald trump and donald trump's father. so he's been with the trump organization for a very long time. and to some people they say, if weisselberg gets threatened with indictments, he might like michael cohen turn around and help pros

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there's no larger criminal investigation currently underway in cy vance's office.s is it looking? >> this is the biggest investigation in the manhattan prosecute ear's office and the implications are massive. yes, we've never had a former president charged with a crime. we've come really close, some may argue. this would be a first. with cy vance not running for re-election or leaving the office, it raises a big question mark as to the continuation of the prosecution after he leaves. but michael cohen will feature centrally. he's met with prosecutors many times and we know from his congressional testimony that he put a lot of bad evidence out there about the president. so he's probably giving prosecutors behind closed doors even more bad evidence. the question is whether or not it's enough to make a criminal case against the president. former president. >> so let's talk about the sheer number of times michael cohen has been interviewed. we're talking about seven possibly coming back for an eighth. how atypical is it? >> it depends on the complexity of the case. i'v

vance indicts donald trump and others. what you think of that choice?e a little bit optimistic. but michael cohen plays an important role for prosecutors. he now has millions of pages of documents, the debtor that underlies trump's taxes and other financial records. and it is such a help for them to have someone who can explain it. who better than the president's former lawyer? probably present for a lot of meetings and conversations, familiar with issues that get reflected in texas. so, it is no surprise that they have had: intro much work and it would seem to indicate that they are very interested in what is contained in the papers that they finally received. >> what do you think of that call in georgia? the one that the wall street journal reported on. how does that affect the overall investigation, do you think? >> you know, joshua, i have been thinking about these calls a lot. both of them. and, obviously what is at stake here is solicitation of election fraud by the former president, asking georgia officials to help. the -- would likely be that he

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meanwhile there have been several recent reports that vance is scrutinizing more n trump's real estates. jane mayer reported last week that according to a source prosecutors' questions have become very pointed. they're sharp shooting now, laser beaming, the source added. it hit me, they're closer. all of this signals that if trump is intent on running again in 2024, he may have to do so from a prison cell. joining me now is jane mayer, chief washington correspondent for "the new yorker" and shan wu who was a former federal prosecutor. jane, how serious is this investigation getting for the former president? >> you know, i think it is quite serious. they have got some of the best lawyers in the country working on this investigation. you know, while trump may not be on the national scene anymore, i think he's very much in the sights of the d.a. at this point. you can see that they're working intensely. they have millions of pages of his tax records, eight years of them. they're just poring over it and trying to look at every single angle, so i think it's quite serious. >> he may want to

pomeranz, with cy vance and the rest of the team.thankful for the opportunity to cooperate and i'm going to continue to cooperate and more information as it's requested. >> that's cohen. meanwhile, he brought down the famed mobster john gotti. cohen saying he asked about donald trump's cfo, the money man. he knows where all the money is, what it was counted up as and whether there may be lies involving money, which can be crimes. now, weisselberg's ex-daughter-in-law turning over documents. now she's speaking in a new television exclusive to nbc news. >> what do you think he could tell investigators? >> everything they would ask. >> do you think he could be the ultimate tour guide into the trump orbit? >> yes. >> allen weisselberg is defined by what donald thinks about him, about saving him money regardless, every day proving his worth by doing that creatively. >> we're joined now by former federal prosecutor joyce vance. a lot going on, but this is a big story. thanks for being here. >> good to be with you. >> when you look at the s

cy vance is closing in on donald trump.ssion of millions of pages of trump's tax returns. and jane mayor reports in the new yorker that the pace of the investigation has picked up dramatically. a person who has been extensively involved in the investigation said it's night and day. that's a quote. another source who complained that things had seemed to stall while vance waited for trump to leave the white house and then waited for his tax records said of the d.a.'s office they mean business now. on wednesday, trump's former personal attorney michael cohen sat down with cy vance for the seventh time in a meeting that lasted two and a half hours and has been asked back for an eighth time. reacting to that news, john dean tweeted, i assure you, you do not visit a prosecutor's office seven times if they are not planning to indict those about whom you have knowledge. it is only a matter of how many days until da vance indicts donald and company. joining me now glen kushner. glen, my friend, good to see you. bring us up to speed

helping cy vance. >> let's talk about cy vance and the timing. he's setting up aside in january.rges against trump before then? >> before january -- -- by the district attorney's office to be able to assist in the review of these records. maybe before cy vance is gone, but we know for a fact he's announced to the entire office although he's stepping down in january, he's not going to tell this investigation to pump the brakes and that if there is probable cause, i bet you, alicia, we're going to see charges against donald trump and others. >> katie, trump is also the target of a criminal case in georgia where the fulton county d.a. is considering racketeering charges. what would the use of the rico act mean for trump and for his associates? >> racketeering requires a conspiracy as well as overt acts to further this conspiracy. but if we see the conduct of donald trump in concert with others, meaning that he worked with others to be able to advance this concept of voter suppression or voter fraud or to be able to put pressure on georgia officials to be able to change records, to b

and so it's interesting that that's where cy vance has ended up. you know, i know it's very frustrating to people to watch who aren't involved in the criminal justice system, to watch how slowly it moves. but in some ways this seems very quickly moving a quickly paced investigation given all of the appeals that vance has had to deal with. this investigation is starting to look like an al gate they're is swimming in a canal. you don't know how big it is or how sharp its teeth are until it takes itself out of the canal to sun itself on the bank. but this investigation increasingly looks like it has a lot of different moving pieces, and they are focused on very specific incidents, probably because they've got michael cohen narrating the story for them. >> well, and joyce, you just made such an important point which i think is worth underscoring is if people watching are thinking gosh, is this all post election? is there any suspicion to that? the reason it took this long was donald trump taking to it the supreme court more than once. most people, if y

vance as well as for mr. pomeranz and for the investigation they are now conducting, so the answer is if i am asked i will do it. no different than when i was asked to appear before the congress, whether it was the house or the senate select committees. all of them. the house judiciary. if they ask me to come in, i am coming in. i don't need to be forced in with a subpoena. all they need to do is ask. >> michael, thank you for taking time to join us today. president trump's former personal lawyer in cy vance's investigation into president trump. disloyal, want troy -- all right. much more to get to here tonight. president biden and vice president harris made their first joint trip in office today, a trip that turned out to be different than the one they planned. we will have details on that next. planned. we will have details on that next ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ (quiet piano music) ♪ ♪ comfort in the extreme. the lincoln family of luxury suvs. are you tired of clean clothes that just don't smell clean? what if your clothes c

it caught the attention of manhattan district attorney's cy vance's office.anhattan district attorney's office? >> multiple times. >> okay. >> and it's not over. >> she declined to detail her conversations with investigators and is speaking out as her long and bitter divorce case is still playing out in court. she's already lost custody of her kids. >> i have no reason to be here except that i am not a woman who is willing to live a life of secrecy out of fear any longer. they will outresource me in the courts forever. and i have tried to be graceful. and i have tried to handle this privately, and they are not agreeing to do so at all. what choice do i have? >> you want your kids back. >> yes. that's why i'm here. >> there are going to be people that watch this and listen to you and hear the words that you say and are going to think this is somebody who is after their ex-husband or this is somebody who has an ax to grind against the family. how do you respond to those people? >> i can't care anymore what people think. i know who i am. my kids know who i am. p

first, as you mentioned, vance announced yesterday he will not run for re-election.is the seismic supreme court ruling we saw last month in which the nine justices clear the way for manhattan prosecutors to obtain trump's very closely held tax returns. the third is the fact that vance's office recently hired veteran former prosecutors with experienced on white crime cases who was later a criminal defense attorney. so if we see charges against the former president, they will very likely come before vance leaves office, given the fact this investigation started under him. his last day is going to be in december, so if we do see charges, doj veterans we spoke to said they would very likely come in the next several months. >> so something that happened this week, merrick garland sworn in as attorney general and received quite a warm welcome when he arrived at the doj for his first day. take a listen, everyone. look at that. heartwarming for him certainly. your reaction to this, abby, is what? why do you think he was received in this way? literally applause started before

vance. >> in the meantime, a member of the family that knows trump's finances inside and out now speaking out exclusively to nbc news. nbc's tom winter has that interview. >> as investigators begin to pore over millions of donald trump's tax documents in their ongoing investigation, the pressure is on to find somebody who can give them an inside view of the trump organization. one of those potential insiders is speaking out in an exclusive nbc news interview. what do you think he could tell investigators? >> everything they would ask. >> do you think he could be the ultimate tour guide into the trump orbit? >> yes! >> her ex-husband, barry, managing trump's ice rinks in new york's central park. and she believed that in 2004, trump and melania gave them a big wedding gift, their own apartment overlooking the park. so, you thought the apartment you were living in was a gift. this is a congratulations. >> i wrote them a thank-you note! >> and all along, it was just a corporate trump organization apartment. >> i didn't understand these things. i was a ballet dancer! come on. >> in reality, tr

vance?oo surprising there are two things about that story that really strike me. the first is, as you recall, brian, this was at the height of the pandemic in new york when we really didn't know what was going on, when there were a lot of people especially folks in nursing homes who were dying that we needed that testing for. and the fact that you have a politician using that testing to benefit his family, using those resources to benefit his family, it's sort of the height of a leader not acting like a leader. we want leaders to follow their own rules and want them to look after their own people. he wasn't clearly doing that the second thing that's crazy about this story, brian, as i understand it, it was broken by a local albany paper. you have the height of the national media, the left wing media, the "new york times," the ton of papers who theoretically should have been covering and breaking. this it took a local news reporter to actually uncover this corruption. sort of suggest our medi

they were a reminder of how this incident has changed so many lives forever. >> think about, joyce vance, the fact of just watching the video can affect a life. imagine having to witness the life draining out of a human being in front of you on that street corner. joyce, talk about the prosecution goal in front-loading these emotional and sincere witnesses. >> so the science that prosecutors operate with, brian, is the science of primacy and recency. when jurors go into the jury room to deliberate, the pieces of evidence that they take with them the most strongly are the first thing they heard and the last thing they heard, recency. the best witness the prosecution has in this case is the videotapes of george floyd's death. so they were front and center this early in the trial. we will see them, i think, throughout the trial as many times as the judge will let the prosecution play them. but expect to see them again in closing arguments so that they are the last piece of evidence that the jury takes with it when it begins its deliberations. >> eugene, somewhat thankfully you are to take u

washington post" about the criminal investigation of donald trump by manhattan district attorney cy vanceccountant and chief financial officer of the company. led by a former mob processor and one person familiar with the investigation said it is aimed at flipping wieselberg, during aide against him. focus on him underscores the depth and ambition of the inquiry. investigators' questions have included what's his relationship with donald, how loyal is each person to each other. "the post" reports investigation has taken on new urgency since take on attorney who prosecuted gambino associate. willis is empanelling a new grand jury this week that could soon begin issuing subpoenas for documents and witness testimony in prosecution of possible election fraud committed by donald trump. investigating several state crimes including solicitations of election fraud, making false statements to state and local governmental bodies, conspiracy, racketeering, violation of oath of office and threats related to investigation. no former president of the united states has ever been charged with crime, this

vance taking not one but two trips to the supreme court to get eight years worth of donald trump's tax returns and financial documents to d.a. vance hiring an expert forensic accounting firm to help him unravel what he's seeing in those financial records to him also hiring an expert former mob prosecutor who used to be the chief of the criminal division at the southern district of new york, u.s. attorneys office mark palmerance and now eight meetings with michael cohen to kind of help michael cohen put some meat on the financial crimes bones, help them decipher all of these financial records they're going through. and then the last little piece we learned about today, lawrence, was the interview with jennifer weisselberg, which is really interesting piece. because of course allen weisselberg, long time chief financial officer and book keeper for trump in the trump organization, jennifer weisselberg is the ex-wife of one of allen weisselberg's son, barry weisselberg. and here's where it gets really interesting for allen weisselberg. she said a couple of important things. she said, you k

vance indicts donald and company. likely to be speedier and more direct than any criminal reckoning. joining me now is the former united states attorney and professor at the university of alabama, joyce vance, also an msnbc contributor. good morning. you wrielt in the article, donald trump has famously expressed the view that only the guilty take the fifth, but the mere events around january 6th lacking any privilege might prove fuel for the criminal investigation. tell us what you mean by that. >> well, the fifth amend is a double-edged sword if you're donald trump. he now has two congressmen that implicate him surrounding the insurrection. one way to get out of the deposition for donald trump or others around him is to say i have a fifth amendment. i could potentially be indicted for events around the insurrection, so you can't take my deposition. of course, truss p has told us his views. the other option would be to submit to a deposition, to answer questions which you have to do under oath and it submits you to th

i want to bring in joyce vance, she's a former u.s.ool. she's also an msnbc contributor. shaq, we will start with you. what do we know about the fourth juror? what else can you tell us about how day three is shaping up now? >> reporter: jeff, the jury selection process is anonymous. we won't have our eyes on the juror. we are pulling out clues from the questioning phase that we are listening to. we know this fourth juror, he is a man. he is from central minnesota. we know he has a wedding coming up in the beginning of may, which can conflict with jury deliberations. don't worry. the judge said they will make sure he makes it to his wedding. he will be joining three other jurors seated yesterday. two of them are white men, an auditor and chemist. another is a biracial woman in her 20s or 30s. you have both sides asking interesting questions to these potential jurors. one thing that the prosecution is making clear about is that they are keeping a close eye on the racial makeup of the potential jury. i want you to listen to an exchange we

what worries them the most, look, it's still the one in manhattan from cy vance, who as we know spentecently succeeded in getting the former president 's tax returns, which were millions and millions of pages, which that office is going through. but that is one that goes at the heart of donald trump' business. in terms of the georgia probe. he has said it was a perfect phone call. we've heard him say that before about other things. his lawyers have been downplaying any potential probe, as to how concerned they are. the cy vance investigation remains the one they are most focused on. >> and there is new reporting that the "new york times" and "the washington post," maggie, about that investigation and a new focus, i don't know if it's new, on allen weisselberg. remind us who he is, where he exists in trump world, and why he might be such a valuable target for investigators. >> sure. so allen weisselberg, remember, is the longtime financial gatekeeper at the trump organization, worked for fred trump, donald trump's father, has been there for decades, you know, knows where every secret i

attorney joyce vance and chuck rosenberg who served as attorney in the southern district of virginia and texas. chuck, let me go to you in terms of what you heard today from both sides that was, you think, new and important as they presented their first -- their first arguments to the jury? >> yeah. i thought it was predictable on both sides, andrea. it doesn't mean it wasn't important. the prosecution did what prosecutors do in linear faction. they tell the story of the crime and they tell the jury what they should expect to see and hear from witnesses including from medical experts and toxicologists and the like because so much of this case is going to turn on the cause of death. what was the reason that george floyd died? the prosecution, of course, will say the reason was derek chauvin, a bad cop. the defense, i imagine will say it was the fact that mr. floyd was unhealthy and had drugs in his system and that it wasn't chauvin who directly caused his death. on the other hand, we got exactly what we would expect from the defense attorney which was reasonable doubt, ladies and gent

it's clear why manhattan district attorney cyrus vance jr., who now has trump's taxes in hand, wantse said, for the very first time, a former member of the weisselberg family is speaking out publicly on camera. he's part of the conversation -- here's part of the conversation between our nbc news colleague tom winter and jennifer weisselberg, whose marriage to allen weisselberg's son ended in 2018. watch. >> reporter: how often, in your time around the weisselberg family, did donald trump's name come up? was it kind of a constant presence of who he is and who they were working with, or was it something that was not a normal part of discussion? >> it absolutely defines who they are. every day. >> let's bring in nbc's investigations correspondent tom winter who had that exclusive interview with jennifer weisselberg. also joining us, our friend, marketing and branding expert donny deutsch. first, tom winter, congratulations on getting this interview, and second, why is she speaking out? >> congratulations also to my colleague, adam reese, who i worked closely with on this. when you look

>> i think that cy vance is going to make the commitment. this week, i learned in a phone call to the georgia state's office, a different phone call, trump urged a -- telling her she would be opraisd for overturning the results. >> yeah, it gets stronger all the time thanks to trump's own words. and we heard the call that trump made to the second of state and now a second call. this is to an investigator, and saying, you will be praised to you get to the right result. the grand jury will have the power to make people testify and produce evidence, and the whether here is whether trump was just asking officials i want to know where they my try to get people to throw the votes and the election, and if it's the latter, that violates against election interference, and own words are making it get hard interharder. >> good stuff, good to see you. one of these days, we will be back on set together. >> i look forward to that. >> me too. thanks. >>> from the art to the food to the culture there is nowhere on earth like it. stanley tucci in a new episo

cyrus vance jr. what do you have?e he is not seeking re-election and his term ends december 31st. >> wow. >> so the person leading the biggest case investigating donald trump is going to not likely preside over any trial, if there is one. it also comes at a time when the investigation seems to really be heating up in a sense. it means whoever is going to take over is not yet known. >> jonathan lemire is with us and has a question. >> talk to us, if you will, about the continuation. what will that mean? there's a lot of course national interest in the potential of these investigations into the trump organization, his businesses. what is the trickle down effect? will it speed things up, slow things down walk us through what the next steps might be. >> it seems that vance brought in people who will help with continuity. he has been a special assistant d.a. and someone who had experience prosecuting mob cases, other cases, and very highly skilled white collar defense lawyer with a big law firm in new york. so he will prob

vance, i appreciate your coming on. thank you. predicate for all this was an interview with someone in the british royal family, a marquess or something, duchess. so far only americans have talked about it. what do we know about royalty? mark steyn grew up around it. you can tell by the accent and that's why we are especially pleased to have them on tonight to assess what we are seeing. mark steyn. >> i have had dinner at buckingham palace in fact. that's how embedded i am in the system, tucker. >> tucker: i would expect nothing less of you. i love>> that. speaking as you are now to someone in complete ignorance of any detail of the story, what to make of this oprah interview? >> you know, i disagree with you on constitutional monarchy. i think it's one of the least worst systems you can live under. one of its advantages is it it dementias the importance of politicians. which i think actually is very helpful in today's society. i just said i was dining at buckingham palace. members of the royal family and my experience are rather

vance?vive rural and suburban parts of the economy in america. stuart: okay, got it. president biden is going back to georgia this week. he's going there to promote the $1.99 trillion stimulus program and those $1400 checks. but i -- susan, this is you. i remember him going to georgia and campaigning there. maybe not joe biden, but certainly the democrats, and they promised a lot more than $1400 checks. and they won those two senate seats in georgia because they promised so much money. susan: right. yeah. stuart: what do you say? susan: biden himself was campaigning in those two a senate runoffs that the democrats eventually won. he was promising $2,000 checks, not $1400. >> if you send jon and the reverend to washington, those $2,000 checks will go out the door restoring hope and decency and honor for so many people who are struggling right now. susan: so some might feel shortchanged here, stu. even georgia democrats have raised questions about these previous promises because the white hous

. >> cy vance, the maptan d.a., we know he's not seeking re-election later this year, how might thatge and affect this widening investigation? >> so, sources familiar with the investigation tell me that, you know, cy vance has known for a while he's not going to run for re-election and he is likely to make a charging decision in this case either way, whether it's to indict or to possibly close the investigation, hoping to do this by the end of his thermo. they have been doing this investigation since 2018 and it's picked up in speed in the last several months and at the end of last month they obtain the president's former tax returns, millions of documents to go through and brought in a fo former expert. career prosecutors are working on this case and will continue to be there after skinnel's work is done. >> -- after the southwark done. >> kara skinnel, thank you. >> see how lincoln used the power of his words to uplift a nation in sorrow. we're calling it "lincoln, divide we stand." it continues this sunday night at sock eastern and pacific right here on cnn. >>> when we come back,

attorney joyce vance. >> michael, not to have you comment on another paper's reporting, but there doesthis story and i want to know what you have on this angle. "the washington post" is reporting tonight on this alleged extortion plot that reportedly this -- gaetz was approached by two men -- not gaetz, his father reportedly was approached by two men, people familiar with the matter said who had no apparent connection to the sex crimes investigation of congressman gaetz other than having somehow learned about the investigation somehow before it was publicly reported, and essentially offered if he would give them a bunch of money to try to locate robert a. levinson, the longest-held american hostage in iran if the operation was a success it would win favor with the u.s. government, that is a weird, convoluted thing and i'm not sure if it even sounds like extortion. do you have any information on that >> so yesterday as we were prepared to publish our story we spoke to gaetz on the phone and he laid out for us this scheme that he said has been cooked up against him. i found it difficult

howard vance, thank you. we appreciate it have a great day >> thank you, brian. >>> all right.welcome to the other top business stories and headlines. bertha coombs has all that good morning, bertha good to see you. >> reporter: good morning, brian. we have new u.s. trade representative kathr thai says washington may be open to negotiations with bbeijing >>> visa announced they will accept cryptocurrency in the same way they accept dollars now. this is pegged to the u.s. dollar and does not include bitcoin yet. >>> in covid news, the eu will block exports of astrazeneca vaccine if the drug giant doesn't deliver doses the region has bought on time it's been a tough haul for astrazeneca, brian >> it has. certainly a lot of questions around the vaccine it is looking like the stock chart we showed you. it is trending up. bertha coombs, see you in a bit. thank you. >>> up next, some head way in the suez the "ever given" partially floated. not free yet we will bring you the very latest look at that backhoe you go, backhoe. >>> later on big news in the fight against the pandemic as ca

it narrows it a bit on what cy vances office is looking at as they pursue this case against former president. >> is it clear why investigators are interested in learning more about his sons? >> it's not clear why they are interested other than these are two people who are connected to trump businesses in different ways. one son had some relationship with the woman skating rink in central park. the other son works for one of trump's lenders so these are two different avenues. it not clear what if any over lap there is or what specifically they are looking for but this is part of a potential financial case that vance is looking at against the former president related to his businesses. >> what is interesting about it is the former president is a former president and therefore doesn't have the power to gi p -- give pardons anymore. i'm not sure how much leverage would he even have at this point to encourage somebody to not cooperate if it came to that? >> it's a worthwhile point to make there was a discussion when former president trump was issuing a huge wave of pardons at the end of his term,

getting actedtively engaged in the western edition it was because, sadly the violence, the gun lie vance in particular a group called crn community response network now fbip. they were people, like some of the menu see here today. when there was a shooting they would sometime prevent a shooting from happention in the first place. they would definitely be on the ground. sometimes it takes more than just a police response after the fact. it takes the community coming together. they must stop the violence from happening. these could have been worse but we work together. we work together as a community we didn't want to continue to see people die in our neighborhood. people we grew up with and loved. we wanted to change that. overtime street violence intervention programs have evolved. they become really somewhat like the guardian angle of the community. mostly focused on places like the bay view hunter point and western edition. i appreciate their work and dedication because these are people coming from those communities. when i became mayor one thing i wanted to do more than anything else

and i also feel like if it's going to be brought, it's going to be brought under cy vance's watch.. one of the nice things about that is it somewhat de-politicizes this because he's not doing it to make a name for himself. >> right. >> but i suggest the time frame, which is that it's going to happen before he leaves office next fall. and i would expect it might be, you know, much sooner than that. >> andrew weissman, thank you for spending some time with us to talk about the new reporting. we're grateful. >>> when we return, as we do every day, we will remember lives well-lived. t-mobile is upgrading its network at a record pace. we were the first to bring 5g nationwide. and now that sprint is a part of t-mobile we're turning up the speed. upgrading over a thousand towers a month with ultra capacity 5g. to bring speeds as fast as wifi to cities and towns across america. and we're adding more every week. coverage and speed. who says you can't have it all? wealth is breaking ground on your biggest project yet. worth is giving the people who build it a solid foundation. wealth is shut

cy vance has announced he will not seek reelection. may remember his office recently obtained trump's tax returns as part of the wide-ranging probe into the trump investigation. and in georgia investigators are still investigating that december phone call in which trump pressured the state's top election official to overturn georgia's election results, "find the votes" as trump put it. joining me jill winebanks, co-host of the #sisters-in-law podcast. and she cite that the prosecutor's questions have become very pointed, sharp shooting, now laser beaming. what do you make of the pace of this investigation as vance prepares to leave office at the end of the year? >> i think a couple things. one, the fact that he is leaving at the end of december means he would like to have this finished by then. so there is that time pressure. butch he has also recently succeeded at the supreme court in getting significant financial records from the president. gosh, what did i just say? from the former occupant of the white house. and he has to go throu

or what specifically they are looking for but this is all part of a potential financial case that vanceat against the former president related to his businesses. >> and what is interesting about it is, the former president is a former president and therefore doesn't have the power to give pardons anymore. so i'm not sure how much leverage would he even have at this point to try to encourage somebody to not cooperate if it ever came to that. >> it's a worthwhile point to make that there was a discussion when former president trump was issuing this huge wave of pardons at the end of his term, which is customary for presidents. he just made very broad use and very personal use of it. there was some discussion when they were looking at pre-emptive pardons for trump family members and the former president himself possibly, there was a question whether alan weisselberg should be given one and the decision was it would not be a good idea because he could waive his fifth amendment rights and be forced to testify against the president down the road, and they didn't want to risk that. so this is

i'm joined now by joyce vance, a former federal prosecutor. thanks for being here. about $0.60. you are a top prosecutor. you should be at 100 to 100. let's talk about a few of these things. is it as weird to you as it is to me that we still don't have an official cause of death for officer sicknick, or is that sort of a prosecutorial strategy to withhold that? >> i think it's less a strategy and more reflective of the fact that there's a lot going on. this is a big complex case. they'll get the coroner's report when they get the coroner's report, but something that's really important here is that that report not be prosecution oriented, that the coroner just do her job or his job and weigh in on what the actual cause of death is here. >> got you. all right, let's talk about the sedition charges. do you think they're likely, and can you define what that means under law? >> sure. so sedition is -- and this is seditious conspiracy, so it's entering into an agreement to use force to disrupt a government operation, in this case to keep congress from certifying the outco

after two years of investigating trump vance is planning to leave office in two months.t a con man. >> reporter: then there's latitia james who ran on taking on trump. >> tonight we celebrate. and tomorrow my friends, we get back to work and we sue the hell out of him. >> reporter: her investigation into trump's business and personal finances is plowing ahead with a trump's ordering trump's tax firm to turn over tax returns. >> we'll continue our investigation. >> reporter: over in georgia newly elected fulton county district attorney made a national splash when she fired off letters in february to georgia officials asking them to preserve documents related to attempts to influence the election. >> should we find that anyone violated the law, then we're going to make a charging decision. >> reporter: after trump's infamous phone call to georgia's secretary of state. >> all i want to do is this, i just want to find 11,780 votes. >> reporter: willis is investigating potential crimes as is solicitation of election fraud and racketeering. also investigating that call, georgi

. >> joining me is pete williams and joyce vance., just legally, what's the import of having this sedition charge? what does that entail? >> well, it's -- i think, more symbolic than it is in terms of the range of statutes that the government has. i mean, it does carry a 20-year maximum sentence, but so do some of the other charges that have already been filed such as obstruction of a government proceeding. the element of the sedition statute that would apply here and you usually think of sedition of conspireing to overthrow the government and there was another part of the federal law saying anybody who conspires by force to delay, hinder or delatex kugz of any law of the united states and of course, that was the day congress was trying to carry out the electoral counting act, a law trying to decide who formally was elected president. so that's how that would fit. i will say i think it's a little unusual for somebody who is still a justice department employee to talk like this and say where they think the evidence is going to go, but

why would anybody like park pomerantz, who prosecuted john gaty, who was brought on board by cy vancestrict attorney, why would he be wasting time meeting with people like that, issuing new subpoenas, and remember, reverend al, we also have the accounting records, the tax returns from 2011 to 2019. millions of pages of documents have been turned over as a result of the supreme court ruling that it had to be done. you're going to see a lot of a picked up pace in terms of the investigation over in cy vance's office. >> maya, "the new york times" is reporting today that inquiries into law enforcement's handling of the george floyd protests last summer found insufficient training and militarized responses, a widespread failure in policing nationwide. basically that in city after city, police mishandled black lives matter protests, and just hours ago some black leaders in miami have expressed concern that police used unnecessary force in imposing a spring break curfew just last night when miami beach police turned away throngs of people, many of them black and brown, from the world famous

let's bring in yamichal sindhor and joining me is joyce vance, good morning to both of you. joyce, let me start with the civil suit. i was speaking to eric swalwell's lawyer last night. this is the second civil suit, something that mitch mcconnell said at the end of the impeachment was that no one is above the law including the former president and there are ways in which he can be held to account. so i assume these civil suits are ways that trump and others can be held to account. what is the likelihood of them succeeding and what is the difference between that, a normal trial and what happened in the white house -- in the senate, i'm sorry. >> yeah. sure. so these civil cases are a very interesting aspect of the search for accountability. we've seen the flawed impeachment procedure despite evidence. we're looking at the criminal process and criminal investigations ongoing too early to conclude whether that would ultimately reach former president trump and his inner circle. these civil cases are a direct and potentially more quick route for the american people to gain the t

meagan fitzgerald is outside the courthouse for us, joyce vance, former attorney and msnbc contributor and host of cross conviction an emotional one that had to see a break. sorry, joyce, we'll have to jump in i apologize. i'm so sorry let's cross back into the courtroom. >> you may step down if you can take the bottle of water with you, that would be great. >> we're done? >> we're done. thank you for coming in. sidebar? >> joyce, i'm going to let you finish that. to tell our viewers what they saw there charles mcmillan has been dismissed and the defense decided not to cross examine him. i'll let you finish your thoughts in evaluating this witness. >> mr. mcmillan was an incredibly credible witness, explaining conversations he had with george floyd and former officer chauvin. if i was the defense lawyer in this case, i would not have cross examined him he would only have done more damage to the defense, the kind of damage they took on cross examination from witnesses yesterday. apparently, they saw that, too and after conferring, they made a decision that they would not ask any questio