that man's name is bob kent. and he tells a very different story about his dealings with the gaetz family and about how serious the allegations are against the representative. that's coming up. and you will want to hear what he says. first, we already heard and saw something shocking today. it happened in the george floyd murder trial. the accused, former officer derek chauvin's own former boss, the minneapolis police chief, the man who fired chauvin and three other officers the day after floyd's death, actually took the stand and called their actions completely wrong and illegal. in a moment that i have never seen by another top cop in a trial, he refused to give chauvin any cover for the 9 1/2 minutes floyd laid dying underneath his knee. the chief testified chauvin absolutely, that's his word, violated the department's neck restraint policy, and he called what we have all seen on that tape murder. >> once there was no longer any resistance, and clearly, when mr. floyd was no longer responsive, and even motionl

bob kent did himself a favor by coming on and answering the questions directly, but gaetz won't take the same opportunity. so there's a lot to take apart tonight with that and we have former number two at the fbi to do it. but first things first. we're two days into week two of the george floyd murder trial. we've seen 20 witnesses up on that stand for the prosecution. week two has an interesting focus on the training here. what were you supposed to do? but more importantly, what was chauvin doing? was that right or wrong? the knee on the neck for that duration, was it ever taught? is it ever okay? if it is ever okay, under what circumstances? nine minutes and 29 seconds, does that fit into any sense of right? a minneapolis police lieutenant who trained chauvin on the use of force was on the stand. take a listen. >> is this an approved neck restraint? >> no, sir. >> say the subject was under control and handcuffed, would this be authorized? >> i would say no. >> and how long, based on your training and experience, does it typically take to render a person unconscious using a neck res

i think, bob kent is credible, and i don't think anything, in his suggestions to the father, that would qualify under any legal reckoning of extortion. >> listen. i -- yes, with that story, i like to proceed with caution. i believe in innocent, until proven guilty. we've already established that. >> they are two different things. the investigation of what gaetz did, you got to wait for the facts. >> right. >> we don't know them. b but the extortion thing. >> yes. >> one might be fact. this extortion thing, fugazi. >> we'll see on that one. and listen, i think that it -- it -- shouldn't he just shut up, right now? shouldn't he just be quiet? >> he has. by the way, i reached out to him. i wanted him to come on the show and answer the questions in a real place, if he wants real credibility. lawyer said he is not talking to anybody. >> it's not going to do that. he's not going to do that. i mean, if he hasn't been on the state-run tv. which, by the way -- yeah. how'd you -- we didn't get a chance to talk about that interview. so, chris, that's like today when i ran into you at breakfast. an