one of the things that came up is closing this charleston loophole. congressman clyburn said this morning. >> what i is it so important to get a gun in three days? what's wrong with ten days? we'll wait 30 days to get something in the mail when we order it online. there's nothing about having a gun within ten days that's so important. so i think that given the processed time to work is a good thing to do. and i believe that there are more and more people come to that conclusion. and i think that we can get a bipartisan bill done. >> sahil, what's our best read on whether a bipartisan bill can survive? >> joshua, with regard to the universal background checks proposal, if anything is going to get through the senate, it's going to be something around that. now, as pat toomey has said, and other republicans have said, the house-passed version does not have the votes to get through the senate, but something along the lines of what pat toomey wrote with joe manchin can get through the senate in theory. it has about more than 50 votes right now. there are a

committed with guns that are already illegal, so none of this would do anything, be it the charleston loophole that he mentioned, that is imaginary. that doesn't exist. there was a data entry problem, there is no loophole. if you are in ff l, someone who sells a firearm, you still have to go through a background check no matter where you sell it so these are all red herrings and it ignores people like the little boy who lost his life lying in his bed because of crime in the streets. it avoids the real problem, which the trump administration quickly with operation legend partnered with local communities come out locked some of these people up here that changes things, not just defund the police and imaginary gun changes. >> harris: i had on joey jones, also a former bomb technician for the marines, and he said one of the false flags in all of this is how much politics are not being talked about. there's a lot of politics on joe biden's list. he points to something called ghost guns. did you notice that is where the president first started? with the ghost guns, things that people can manufacture

to unlicensed individuals while closing what advocates of stricter gun laws have called the charleston loophole, which allows the gun sale to go through if the background check is not finished after three days. chuck schumer has promised to put those pillows on the summit -- senate floor for a vote but it is unclear if they can win a simple majority much less the support of 60 senators needed to pass much less -- most legislation in the senate." everett opposes this effort. go ahead. caller: hello. i am opposed to it. basically this gives the people the right to keep and bear arms. most people opposed to the assault style weapons do not understand that the military definition of an assault white -- rifle is that it has a selector switch where it can go into automatic and they have been outlawed for years. if you call in and try to find out how me laws are in this country, the nra says around 9000, and it goes to whatever you can find and up to 20,000. host: what did you think specifically about the actions today and the things that he outlined? caller: i think that the ghost style rifles and we

second thing is closed to charles leno charleston loophole. my people here. i spent time down that church in charleston. what happened is. someone was allowed to get the gun used to kill those innocent people in the church service. if the fbi. come didn't complete a background check. within 3 days. there's a process. it would only 3 days according to the charleston loophole, you get to buy the gun. they bought the gun and killed a whole lot of innocent people who invited him to pray with him. and 3. reauthorize the violence women act. which is so-called close. the boyfriend and stalking loopholes to keep guns out of the hands of people. found by a court. to be an abuser and continuing threat. i held over 1000 hours of hearings to pass violence against women act. one thing came through. if in fact. a stay away order. an order. prevent e. the abuser from coming certain distance. of the person he has abused or she is abused. now. the idea that they can own a weapon and have a court order. say they are in abuser. these are some of the best tools we have right now

second thing is, to close the -- what's known as the charleston loophole. like people here, i spent time down in that church in charleston, what happened is someone was allowed to get the gun used to kill those innocent people at a church service. if the fbi hasn't -- didn't complete the background check within three days. there's a process. if it wasn't done in three days according to the charleston loophole, you get to buy the gun. they bought the gun and killed a hell of a lot of innocent people who invited him to pray with them. and three, reauthorize the violence against women act. which is so called closed the boyfriend and stalking loopholes to keep guns out of the hands of people found by a court to be an abuser, and continuing threat. i held over a thousand hours of hearings to pass the violence against women act. and one thing came through. if, in fact, a stay away order, an order preventing the abuser from coming in at a certain distance of the person he has abused or she has abused, and now the idea that they can own a weapon when they have a co

the charleston loophole is closed in the second bill. these are supported by an overwhelming majority of the american people, fully bipartisan, and republicans in washington need to understand that. >> congressman, let's go full circle and talk about president biden's infrastructure plan. republican opposition to the proposal has been made clear, i'm sensing a pattern here in some of what we're talking about. would you be supportive of one of the compromises we're hearing about, lowering the tax rate for corporations from the proposed 28% to 25%? >> the proposal to pay for this jobs plan is to lower the tax rate from 28% to 21%, which would put the united states at a place where most other developed countries are. and it would take that money, invest it back into rebuilding roads, bridges, ports, schools, broadband, provide assistance to the care economy, who takes care of our seniors and people who are ill, and making investments in research and development in manufacturing to create millions of good paying jobs. so i'm sure president b

loophole. like many people here i spent time at that church in charleston. what happened is, someone was allowed to get the gun used to kill those innocent people at a church service. if the fbi did not complete the background check within three days. there is a process. if it was not done in three days according to the charleston loophole, you get to buy the gun. he bought the gun and killed a lot of innocent people who invited him to pray with them. and three, reauthorizing the violence against women act, which so-called -- [applause] --closed the boyfriend and it's talking loophole to keep guns out of the hands of people found by the court to be an abuser and a continuing threat. i held over 1000 hours of hearings in the violence against women act. one thing came true. if in fact a stayaway order, in order preventing the abuser from coming in a certain distance of the person he has abused or she has abused, now the idea that they can own a weapon when they have a court order saying they are an abuser? these are some of the best tools we have to prevent no

in the case of charleston, we knew that loophole was dangerous, because the charleston situation, emanuel a.m.e. church, nine souls welcomed a stranger into their midst. that's what the bible tells us we're to be all about as christians. they welcomed this gentleman in. he sat there, studied for an hour. and then they closed their eyes to say the closing prayer. he murdered nine of them. trying to start a race war. well, the investigation revealed that he got the gun after three days, though they discovered that some information was wrong. the question is did he give the wrong information intentionally? did somebody miscue something? at the end of the three days, he went back and got the gun. we're saying to try to close this loophole, give the investigators time to do their work. it is determined that 90% of all gun purchases are approved within seconds. but another 97% within the three-day period. 3% for outside of that three-day period? what we have found is in that 3%, a lot of people, the vast majority of the 3% are people who get the guns who are not deserving of having them, not qu

checks to be required when firearms are transferred between private citizens and to close the charleston loopholelly licensed firearm dealers to transfer guns to customers before an adequate background check is completed. the fact that i with 150 other mayors in asking the federal legislature to do that, at least indicates what i would like to see done legislatively. my concern about the indiana general assembly is, i believe they only have three or four days left in this particular session. i certainly will make it clear to our governor and to the legislative leadership where i stand on these issues. >> mr. mayor, did the white house contact you? could you share with us, what was that conversation like? has the white house promised any resources to indianapolis? >> as most people know, the chief of staff to the president of the united states is a high school grad from indianapolis, indiana. it was not unusual that he would reach out to me. basically, the offer was anything you need, mayor, we stand ready to assist. it was not a direct communication. it was text messaging. i, of course, responded

loophole. i spent time down at that church in charleston. what happened is someone was allowed to get the gun used to kill the innocent people at the church service if the fbi doesn't complete the background check in three days. there is a process. if it isn't completed in three days, according to the charleston loophole, you get to buy the gun. he bought the gun and killed a lot of innocent people that invited him to pray with them. three, close the boyfriend and stalking loopholes to keep guns out of the hands of people found by a court to be an abuser and continuing threat. i held over 1,000 hours of hearings, one thing came through. if in fact a stay away order, an order preventing the abuser from coming in a certain distance of the person he has abused or she has abused, and now the idea that they can own a weapon when they have a court order saying they are an abuser. these are some of the best tools we have right now to prevent gun violence and save lives. all of these bills have had support of both democrats and republicans in the ho

agencies, we have a congress right now who put a bill into action, put it to senate called the charleston loopholee the congressional representatives with anything are trying to do a big not even understand they're trying to do? i do plan about guns and gun laws. we could make our world safer we do with the laws we have with a different perspective and added emphasis of or trying do a why were trying to do. >> the very polarizing >> right now. do you think we need to tone down the rhetoric a little bit? feels like there are a lot of demands and not a lot of conversation not a lot of talking but we can do together. >> think you hit on the head. having a conversation then the way madonna handled this is wrong. if you come into a fire with gasoline you're going to make those flames really were approach of the opportunity with their platform to actually have a productive conversation. what a thing she said in their only criminals i see right now are the peace who work in john police were paid to protect the people. someone commented probably not advancing of course her name is karen bert on a quick co

house has already passed two important bills, universal background checks, and closing the charleston loopholeure that gun sellers have time to do background checks. but there's a lot more we can do, like pass the assault weapons ban and a number of bills to prevent high-capacity magazines, but you know, the senate should move quickly on the two bills that are there, but we have a lot of work to do to reduce gun violence in this country. >> let's talk about the senate because we know, as you mentioned, those two house bills, they are stalled over in the senate. your democratic colleague, chris murphy, says he remains optimistic about a path forward, but republican pat toomey, who has cosponsored legislation in the past, tells cnn it's hard to say if they're making progress. and senator manchin, the democratic swing vote on so many things now will only say he plans to get together and talk on some things with toomey. when are the american people going to see both parties sit down and say, here's one thing we can agree on and let's vote on that right now? you've done it in the house in a biparti

i'll talk to house majority whip jim clyburn about closing the charleston loophole that allows buyerss complete. >>> another week of gripping testimony in the books in the derek chauvin trial. multiple experts describe the precise manner in which george floyd died and what exactly killed him. >>> making her story. st. louis elects its first black woman as mayor, she's getting down to reforming the police and turning social workers into crime fighters. tishaura jones joins me live. >>> and last but not least, bernie sanders is stopping by to discuss what unionizers do next after a stinging defeat at an alabama plant for amazon. >>> and why infrastructure of the 21st century is more than concrete and steel. "velshi" starts now. >>> good morning. it's saturday, april 10th. i'm ali velshi. we have a lot of news, including the latest on biden's major infrastructure bill, the nation's most anti-trans

checks to be required when firearms are transferred between private citizens and close the charleston loophole to transfer guns to customers before an adequate background check is completed. so the fact that i joined with 150 whore mayors in asking the federal legislature to do that at least indicates what i would like to see done legislatively. my concern about the indiana general assembly is i believe they only have three or four days left. we'll make it clear to our governor and leadership where i stand on these issues. [ inaudible [ question ] >> what conversations have you had with the white house about the services or resources? >> well, as most people know, the chief of staff to the president of the united states is a north central high school grad from indianapolis, indiana. it was not at all unusual that he would reach out to me. basically, the offer was anything you need, mayor, we stand ready to assist. it was not a direct communication. it was just text messaging. i responded thanking him and told him that we would keep him aware of the progress of the investigation and if the whit

what what's called the charleston loophole which allowed doing roof to get a gun even though he's never should have been you want because the background check to took too long. the law currently allows the dealer to simply say, well, if after 3 days i don't hear from the fbi. i can tell you the gun that would change that. the 20 days these are the things that need to happen. but lindsey graham's point. actually more needs to be done in assault rifles need to be on the agenda. there is there is a big difference between being able to protect your family and your home. it in your home and then going out. they're going out. you know, with ar 15 and storming the capitol michigan. we there's a there's a difference there. and i think people understand that. >> you drove parallel in the beginning between the pandemic and gun violence and how what happens, how we react and what may be rights. we have to suspend or not. so i'm going to bring up the pandemic when the administration says they don't plan to go as far as having a covid vaccine passport nationwide statewide is a different you know, ne

what what's called the charleston loophole which allowed doing roof to get a gun even though he's never should have been you want because the background check to took too long. the law currently allows the dealer to simply say, well, if after 3 days i don't hear from the fbi. i can tell you the gun that would change that. the 20 days these are the things that need to happen. but lindsey graham's point. actually more needs to be done in assault rifles need to be on the agenda. there is there is a big difference between being able to protect your family and your home. it in your home and then going out. they're going out. you know, with ar 15 and storming the capitol. michigan. me there's a there's a difference there. and i think people understand that. >> you drove parallel in the beginning between the pandemic and gun violence and how what happens, how we react and what may be rights. we have to suspend or not. so i'm going to bring up the pandemic when the administration says they don't plan to go as far as having a covid vaccine passport nationwide statewide is a different you know, n

closing the boyfriend loophole, closing the charleston loophole and simple ways to make people acrossand we do need to do more. i'm a navy veteran. i'm very familiar with assault weapons. i think we need an assault weapons ban, those are guns designed to kill as many people as possible in as short a time as possible and they're weapons of war and shouldn't be on our streets. that said, we haven't gotten the basics through the senate and president biden is standing by, ready to sign this into law. we have got to find a way in the senate to start to end this horrible, horrible epidemic of gun violence across the country. >> given your experience in the military and your description there pretty terrifying, really of assault weapons, addressing that, banning them, ghost guns, as well. is there anything any private citizen that needs either one of those entities to either hunt with a rifle or have a handgun in their home to protect themselves? those are things that are not being looked at and trying to be suppressed in any way, shape or form. assault weapons, ghost guns, is there a privat

the other critical bill that the house has passed that's now in the senate is to close the charleston loopholeallows firearm purchases to proceed without a background check in circumstances where the check can't be completed in three days, which is often because there's dangerous flags that have appeared on the background check. >> would any of the mass shootings in recent years been prevented by the passage of any of these bills? >> yes. there was actually a shooting several years ago in texas where the perpetrator bought his gun in a private sale because he wouldn't have been able to pass a background check. and, you know, there's more instances of shooters where they go online to, you know, to websites like armslist.com, which is known as the craigslist of guns precisely because they know that sellers on those sites aren't going to require them to undergo a background check. so, yes, these bills would be impactful, and at the very least they set forth a requirement that should be basic and easy for responsible gun owners to complete, which is just to undergo a background check. >> we've hea

these gun bills that we passed in the house of representatives, the background checks on the charleston loopholeepublicans want to vote against it we can show exactly why we need to eliminate the filibuster, because this is a majority of people that want to get this done. and chuck schumer is the senate majority leader, not mitch mcconnell. we should not put all the power in mitch mcconnell's hands when we know that these bills are so popular across the country. we just can't allow for the tyranny of the minority to control the senate. >> congresswoman pramila jayapal from washington state, it's always a pleasure to have you on. and getting your perspective. thank you. >> great to be with you. >>> up next, msnbc's chief legal correspondent ari melber joins me on the very latest on the breaking news of rudy giuliani, the federal investigators' search of his apartment. and frankly what took the feds so long. naging your diabetes... ...using fingersticks? with the new freestyle libre 2 system, a continuous glucose monitor, you can check your glucose with a painless, one-second scan. and now with op

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to unlicensed individuals while closing what advocates of stricter gun laws have called the charleston loopholeich allows the gun sale to go through if the background check is not finished after three days. chuck schumer has promised to put those pillows on the summit -- senate floor for a vote but it is unclear if they can win a simple majority much less the support of 60 senators needed to pass much less -- most legislation in the senate." everett opposes this effort. go ahead. caller: hello. i am opposed to it. basically this gives the people the right to keep and bear arms. most people opposed to the assault style weapons do not understand that the military definition of an assault white -- rifle is that it has a selector switch where it can go into automatic and they have been outlawed for years. if you call in and try to find out how me laws are in this country, the nra says around 9000, and it goes to whatever you can find and up to 20,000. host: what did you think specifically about the actions today and the things that he outlined? caller: i think that the ghost style rifles and weapon

common sense legislation to enhance background checks and close the charleston loophole. time to take up this legislation. those are tweets from members of congress concerning the actions yesterday. you can see, again, if you want to see what the president said and merrick garland, you can go to c-span.org to watch that event from yesterday. brad in washington, d.c., on our oppose line. caller: yeah, i do not really understand how the ghost gun ban he was talking about is going to help anything at all. normally by the time a gun is used in the commission of a crime, people are already dead. so what is the point of tracing where that gun came from or how they got it? for an example, fast and furious, we sent a bunch of guns to mexico and traced it back to the president and eric holder, nothing happened to them. so if we are not going to support the laws we have on the books, why would we make any new laws? which i think it is all just a dog and pony show that biden is putting on. i do not think there is any real substance to what he said. he lost all legitimacy with not ad

closing the charleston troll, the charlton loop that rosen loophole dealing with the fact that we we need to reinstitute the assault weapons ban. those are all things that is about really generating attention back at congress to do it. but at least i am acting. he least then puts the ball in congress's court say, well, i did what i could, what we really need is for you to do something much more comprehensive in nature. the deal with this gun epidemic. violence that we're experiencing right now and have been for years. >> michael, i know you you help make some things when you're on the board of supervisors in the past regarding gun control. any thoughts on tactics or strategy or anything on the national level that could push toward change. >> well, i mean, i think think having a good atf director for permanent for the first time. this is an individual who used to be especially a t and it's been different foundation i think would be great. i mean, when i was on the board of soups. i took on spending night specials. and and then my band cop killer ammunition being sold in the city. and

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