it is coming from people who were building lasers when chuck berry wrote roll over beethoven. these people know what they are talking about. they know about sunspots, they know what is happening in the universe, they know all of this. here's what we know. we know that since 1970 we have been increasing the amount of carbon dioxide in the global atmosphere by 30%. we know that has led to the hottest decade on record. we know we have more carbon in the atmosphere now than any other time. this is a problem. the scientists who know what they're talking about telus it is a problem and a successful country acts on sound science, acts on the rule of law, on what is in the public interest, and moves us forward. that is what we are talking about doing. host: a couple minutes left with bob dean's, the engagement director of the natural resources defense council and author back in 2012 of the book reckless, the political assault on the american environment. that book coming out in 2012. is there an update for 2021? what would you say in that update? i think what i would say, and in view