only 68% at cpac?u went to a phish concert and weed was polling at 68% a giant golden replica of former president trump was displayed over the weekend at the conservative political action conference in florida. this news first reported in exodus 32 verse 4. [ laughter ] president biden is facing criticism after declining to do directly sanction saudi arabia's crown prince mohammad bin salman for ordering the death of journalist jamal khashoggi okay, if having a journalist murdered doesn't count as malarkey, what does? biden is like one of those cool parents who says, "if you kids have to kill someone, i'd rather you do it in the house." after he was publically accused of sexual harassment by two former aides, new york governor andrew cuomo yesterday issued an apology, even though one aide made her accusation from a hospital, so to him it doesn't count. in his statement addressing accusations of sexual harassment from aides, governor cuomo said is he was quote "being playful." you know how he's always j

some 400,000 people through cpac have come to our system as well, so, frankly, it is all of you makinghis possible, so thank you very much. [applause] >> if you want better health outcomes and at a more affordable price, i think there's kind of a great option. i guess if you don't want -- if you like someone taking care of you -- if you want the government to take care of you and think they do a great job doing it, health sharing is not for you. if you want to stick it to 'em, sign up for liberty health care. [laughter] [applause] >> we could leave it right there, but do you have any final thoughts? >> i just didn't know if we were paying peter to say that. i'm not sure. >> i just want to say one thing. we encourage a healthy lifestyle. we have healthy members who live in a healthy way. we also know that disease, cancer, god permit bid heart transplants -- these things come along in life, and they do in our ministry, and we are there because we never had an eligible medical bill that ever went unpaid by members. we have done the transplants, and we have seen the children in the nicu fo

two minutes later, these two guys come into the -- into cpac.ervice. one is like, "take that mask off your face! and guy goes, "this is my face!" the trump impersonator had no idea what's going on and then the stuntman, they go, "we told you, if you come back, you're going to be arrested! after an hour with a prosthetics makeup artist, they removed the mask and realized it wasn't me so, it was a challenge >> seth: all right i mean, again, i know you've been through some of these white-knuckle moments. are you a little terrified when you're in the room with secret service like that? >> yes >> seth: yeah. >> yes i mean, you don't -- you don't think anything violent is going to happen to you, although there was -- there was one point when we were preparing the giuliani scene with somebody who had secret service protection. and i had to get trained on what to do when the person's got secret service protection -- i won't say who it is, shouts, "help, help. so, you know, i was trained on what you do. essentially, the first thing that a secret service

>> yes, he should. >> that's up to cpac.nuary 6, he should not. >> on that high note, thank you all very much. >>> remember that moment? there they go, walking in opposite directions from february. seems to be happening again. welcome back. 5:30 on the east coast, 2:30 out west. i'm kasie hunt. in orlando, florida, top republicans are leading the party into the 2022 midterms. not former president trump. here is what she told reporters yesterday when asked about trump's role in the party. >> i think right now, the republican party is headed by mitch mcconnell and kevin mccarthy in the house. i think our elected leaders are the ones in charge of the republican party. as we look at 22 and 24, we are going to be focused on substance and the issues. that's where we have to attract back voters we lost in 2020 by conveying to them that in fact we are the party that they can trust, we are the party of come tense and conservative principal. >> mccarthy offered up some criticism. said quote, there is a responsibility, if you're going

>> yes, he should. >> congresswoman cheney, that's up to cpac. i've been clear about president trump and the extent to which following january 6th i don't believe he should be playing a role in the future of the party for this country. >> reporter: a source told cnn mccarthy remains furious with cheney and this week we declined to back her up. >> is cheney still a good fit for your leadership team? >> that's a question for the conference. >> reporter: and the number two steve scalise makes it clear he's not in agreement with chainy. >> president trump is still a very active part of our party and very vocal leader in our party. >> reporter: so cheney does still have ample allies within the house republican conference, including those who voted to impeach donald trump like anthony gonzalez of ohio when i spoke with this afternoon. he told me if a pre-requisite for leading our conference is lying to our voters then liz is not the best fit. jake. >> >> that's exactly the issue. manu raju, thanks so much. appreciate it. there's even more going on in t

as a member of cpac i bring the board of educators to the advisory body. holds convenings with center and family child care educators focused on identifying issues and needs to support their work and livelihood. bringing educators and expertise into policies. i bring to my work with ecsf my own experience as past educator focused primarily on infants and toddlers, a parent who ran a home-based co-op and expanse for early care and education. i cochaired the ad hoc committee and worked with the committee to identify the cost parody with educators as well as to identify priority benefits and barriers. i am committed to continued work expanding community engagement in planning including every applicant not appointed here today and strengthening the information and community input. we need every person involved in the discussion and we need to stir up more interest to get at what we really need. since the ad hoc community planning committees and in my work with early educators of san francisco, our focus is ensuring the least at the table are included, specific

include includes the cpac and the coronavirus access pool. we need to encourage and not block country's ability to produce more vaccine doses so president biden and g7 leaders must support a proposal of the world trade organization by south africa, india and others to temporarily waive intellectual property rights for vaccine treatments to encourage manufacturing in their own market. since yesterday, more than 170 former heads of state and government and noble laureates signed a proposal and we need a vaccine, and president biden has an opportunity to lead right now to make this vision reality. >> well, thank you, abby. we'll come back during the q & a session to hear more from you. and now to our friend, winnie, the executive director of un aid and undersecretary-general. she leads in the aids epidemic. prior to her position, she served at oxfam international and over a decade in uganda's parliament heading their first parliamentary women's caucus, i might add. and gender development and held countless other positions. i've known winnie for

[applause] i think it is great cpac is focusing on the hard questions. 66% of americans who identify themselves as pro-choice are against a third term abortions. there certainly is some issues that there is widespread agreement on. this is wrong. but there are tougher questions at the beginning or when there is medical issues. that is what we will talk about today. one of the first questions i would like to ask is -- if someone is a devout catholic or has some other religious belief that habits abortion, it is easy to tell them why they should be pro-life. what if you're talking to someone who is not religious? may be an agnostic, an atheist, they are not really sure, they do not have that easy in to being pro-life. how would you try to convince a person? what could you say to that person? >> i will jump in. first and foremost i think if it is a religious basis or you are an agnostic, whatever the case, life is worth protecting. it is worth protecting. we protect one another because it is a life and it is very important to do that. it is plain and simple. it is that simple. but in ad

governors and senators -- state senators, state reps, and we worked at the federal level, and last year at cpac, i came out and introduced alice johnson. we got to speak a little about what criminal justice reform from a conservative standpoint looks like. we look at it from the lens of public safety. alice agreed 100%, we do not promote anything that will endanger one single person. it is about public safety. it is about restitution, and it is about helping people become better members of society because they are going to come out. if you look at it through all of that and think about the christian values that go with the redemption, it makes so much sense, and the money -- from a fiscal standpoint, we save a lot more money putting people out, then come back to them becoming productive members of society and paying taxes. >> i kind of started thinking about this in church. my pastor said something very important with -- very important one day. he said everybody is six seconds away from doing something stupid. when you are in a tough spot, a stressful situation, you are desperate -- people do m

if he showed at a meeting of the iron sea or cpac would be booed today.probably wouldn't be invited. i would hesitate to guess ronald reagan would be booed at those meetings, dwight eisenhower would be booed. we are at a time when the litmus test if you don't buy into crazy things of voter fraud or donald trump is the greatest president in history or whatever else that has become the elemental part of this, then you are isolated and you are put into cast doubt in this. we, the republican party today is in no, way, shape or form what it looked like 10, 12, 15 years ago. it's not the republican party anymore. >> i had to say, alberto gonzalez, the former attorney general, who you worked with helped get george w. bush elected. he thinks george w. bush could win a republican primary in texas now. is it a shocking thing to think of given where we are and what texas has been over the last many years? mathew, per share osborne has been the host of the show "the talk." she was pushed out over controversial comments about race and the way that meghan markle and pr

that's nuts we just saw cpac rather than being regarded as a destructive dishonest and treasonous embarrassment, donald trump was welcomed as a hero. people said yes indeed. pedro talks about the challenges and he is right you can find these anywhere in american society there's just not a lot of right wing schools and education so certainly on the right we have our own challenges. so given it's really hard to run a free nation, a responsible and democratic nation c when citizens don't believe in democratic elections, they don't show any ability to distinguish between fact and fantasy, they are loath to engage in hard questions, civic education is crucial. but i do worry about it for all the other ideological abates that pedro and i wrote this book to get away from and how hard it can be to talk about civic education that is respectful to the core challenges to teach students to love and appreciate what has been done or having their eyes wide open with the shortcomings finding a civics education that makes kids care and get them engaged to teach core principles and skills. it's a classic case of

he was at this sort of alt-right version of cpac.olitical action conference, he says if america loses its white demographic core, its faith in jesus christ, it's not america anymore. this is part of gosar's belief system, apparently. >> also, to put a finer point on it, marjorie taylor greene over the weekend tweeted, she said i had taken fake jake sherman, she called me. which does have a nice cadence. she said i had taken her words out of context and misconstrued them as racist. we didn't call them racist or take it out of context. sorry, she said i took anglo-saxon out of context and made it seem racist. we posted the entire document. it was not out of context. i'm not going to try to make sense of what she's saying. i will tell you this, though. this is an important story, because as you indicated in your opening, this the fundamental to an identity that is deep within the republican party in the house at this point. and you're seeing people rally to marjorie taylor greene's defense. it's very important stuff. >> and i was surpri

pence has skipped cpac, the rnc. this is the first time we've heard him address a big crowd.e keeping their options open for 2024. pence has a unique issue, in that he -- his entire political brand is connected to trump, even though they had a falling out at the end of the administration that was the gamble he made for four years that's the gamble he still has to make. any popularity he has with republican-based voters is because he was seen as a trump loyalist until he wasn't i think it's true if trump decides to run himself, pence won't have a lane. >> the former president has named lots of republicans he sees as future leaders, but not mike pence, not once how much of pence's future depends on what his former boss says and does? >> a lot that's partly because his political future was sort of over when donald trump chose him to be his running mate as compared to someone like nikki haley, marco rubio, or other republicans who had their own brand. mike pence, as the governor of indiana, was kind of at the end of his line. he got a lifeline from donald trump there was a resusc

he teased his own run again at cpac. now he's raising tens of millions of dollars.y know what donald trump will do doesn't know who donald trump is. donald trump will do what the donald trump wants to do when donald trump wants to do it. that could include getting in the race. i don't rule out at the age of 78 he will say no, it's time for somebody else. if i'm donald trump, i preserve my options and do everything to get ready but make up my mind the last minute. he would be the frontrunner if he got in. he has plenty of time. >> gillian: so if he doesn't throw his hat in the ring, surveying the field as it stands today, who is best suited to carry his torch? a couple sends left. >> nobody. it's a wide open race. my caution to you, if you remember in 2015, governor walker went to iowa. everybody said he was the frontrunner. >> gillian: yeah, it blew up. >> just hold your horses. let it play out. >> gillian: all right. ari, have to leave it there. love hearing your thoughts. we wish you a great weekend. >> thanks, gillian. you too. >> gillian: that does it for "the s

you'll remember chris, we talked when i was at cpac and at the time congress was debating this covidpackage, and it was not brought up in any speech that i listen to. so it is not at all surprising that somebody like tim scott is going to skate over that pretty quickly. he even sent out an email before his speech, the very first line chris was a reference to have republicans cannot seem to cancel culture, that is the heart of what is animating the culture right now. >> they wanna spend four trillion dollars to institute a social democracy, but sahil, i think that is partly because they have pick their fights on favorable grounds. when you look at the polling, the stuff is polling well. this is dynamic, it will be defined partly by the opposition, they'll sink their teeth into it. but they are choosing to fight from the high ground in terms of popularity on a bunch of this stuff. >> and chris, that is partly because the political realignment that we have seen in the republican coalition is less suburban, it's less affluent. it's more white, blue collar workers, particularly enroll are

you had cpac saying we can't guarantee your security and mitt romney, when you say stuff like this you'ret acceptable. >> yeah. well, that brings us to this as we talk about the america first caucus. first raised apparently by congresswoman marjorie taylor greene. a document describing the caucus said "america is a nation with a border and a culture, strengthened by a common respect for uniquely anglo-saxon political traditions." you know, after significant bipartisan pushback greene is -- she tried to somewhat distance herself. but is there a bigger constituency in the u.s., mehdi, than we would think, at least before the last few years that would embrace these ideals? i mean, truly embrace them. >> sadly the answer is yes. for far too long we have referred to the marjorie taylor greens and the paul gosars and the matt gaetz as the people behind these sorts of documents as fringe figures. the reality is they're not fringe figures. they may be peddling ideas that we have seen as fringe for many years. this anglo-saxon rhetoric, this america first rhetoric, plenty of historians over the la

something we saw a lot fomenting at cpac, and now, perhaps, one of the only viable responses to somethe voting restrictions that we're seeing play out in, you know, dozens of states around the country right now. but, look, this is a law that governor brian kemp actually signed behind closed doors with no cameras there to show what he was doing. it is already shown that it is deeply unpopular. dozens of companies are having a hard time remaining neutral when it comes to -- refraining from commenting on these laws that we're seeing and these restrictions shrinking, early absentee voting, requiring voter i.d.s. so i think republicans are struggling other than to explain this posture of cancel culture. >> jackie, i guess as we talk about that as a potential initial the midterms. i'm thinking about the other news we have this morning that people are getting vaccinated at a pretty solid clip. here, the country is on track to getting back to some version of normal if we continue at that rate. from a political perspective, is anyone going to care about any other challenges if they see that p

this was a bill that was really birthed out of cpac and right now our legislature is running with thisl and it's quite unfortunate. we have serious problems and as i referenced on my house floor speech we have epic job loss. even in my district over the past two weeks there has been an environmental disaster. so instead of dealing with these very real problems that we have in our state we are dealing with this bill that nobody asked for. and, you know, it was just -- i couldn't understand why this was the bill -- why this was a priority bill to be heard on the floor of the house. >> how much debate was there on this bill overall? was there any debate? >> oh, 100%. so we split the debate up so on the first day we had questions of the bill and the democratic party, the democratic caucus, we offered 18 amendments to this bill. we didn't offer the amendments just to say, okay, if you accept the amendment we'll vote for it, but it was really the only way we could highlight some of the most harmful parts of this bill. and then the next day that took about -- we were on the floor for about 6

mickie edwards, a longtime republican congressman founded cpac, had a great expose in the ball work whereltants working for him were trying to put these cultural war pitches into the fund-raising pitches because that's what got the cash registers ringing. he took them out saying i'm about lower taxes, being strong in defense. but the cultural issue won. the reason they won is because they get the money. they loosen people's wallets. that's why the republicans are in a froth about dr. suess, about the all-star game. these are the things that excite donors and get them to part with their money. trump didn't invent this scam. he has merely perfected it and taken it to new levels of unethical conduct. >> you're really talking about the part that carries over. to max's point, this goes to the that question of who is really running the priorities, right? max, you once upon a time advised romney and others on policy. it seems there isn't even a pretense, joan, of people getting up and talking about policy on the right, whatever it might be, whether you look at the example of the literally not pu

sounds a little bit more colorful, but kind of on trend with the speech we saw him give publicly at cpact month when he was also down here in florida gathering with friendly conservatives who hadn't seen him speak since before he left office. what we're hearing from overnight is he took aim at senator mitch mcconnell. this is not new. when mitch mcconnell voted against impeaching trump but basically said there was blame at his feet for the january 6th insurrection, the former president took aim at him immediately. back in february you'll remember he called him a dour, sullen political hack. it sounds like that was the tone and tenor of the remarks last night which advisers said they hoped would focus on unit and the role trump was going to play going forward in the republican party. this is the role he's going to play going forward in the republican party. this is the role he played even when he was president. republicans, regardless of party, who did not march in lockstep with him, were regularly railed against, whether it was from the white house, rally podiums or around the country. i

. >> you will remember, chris, we talked and -- when i was at cpac, we were debating this relief packageisten to. it's not at all surprising to me that tim scott will state over that quickly. he even sent an email to donors before his speech, the very first line chris was a reference to how republicans cannot seed to cancel culture. that really is the heart of what's animating the party right now. i don't see that changing. >> yeah, exactly. it's like you want to spend four billion dollars to institute the 24/7 show -- like dr. seuss. seal, i think that is partly because the biden folks had picked their fights on, fairground, this stuff is polling well. this is dynamic, it will be defined partly by the opposition. they will surely sink their teeth into it. they are choosing to fight from the high ground, in terms of popularity on a bunch of this stuff. >> and chris, that is partly also because the political realignment we have seen the republican -- republican coalition is less -- it's more white collar, affluent, and they could use this 1400 dollar planned by biden. when i was most stru

you're trying to collect, see facts and buy back machines that i shows that around. 10 million cpac five pack machines sitting in america and used collecting dust in people's closets. so we're trying to collect those and send it over to the covid patients where they can help as a non critical jews, ventilators and we're really desperate need off oxygen concentrators and pulse ox emitters. also, what was your motivation? to try toe. do something from you know from from where you're sitting to help the people of india. because previous year when we collected, we were able to have latin america and african countries and itwas it is now val tester proven solution. so then we saw this search and we have lots of friends and family who are suffering, and it's really bad over there. it is heartbreaking to see that doctors are there can't help because they don't have intelligence that don't have oxygen, so we do need it very desperately. over there. what's your message to people who are you know who may have one of these machines sitting around that they haven't used in a while. what what is your

we should just be clear it was really notable, he was at this sort of outright version of cpac right where he talked to a group and actually uses the term america first where the person that the america first political action conference that hosted that said if america ceases to retain that english cultural framework, if it loses its democratic core and loses its face in jesus christ is not america anymore. this is part of his belief system apparently. >> to put a finer point on that, in a tweet i believe over the weekend i'm not exactly sure of the timing says that i had taken, she called me, fig jack sherman which has a nice cadence to it'll give her that. but she did indicate and said that i had taken her words and miss construed them as racist. we didn't use the word racist i didn't take it out of context. the context is that, sorry, she said i took anglo-saxon out of context and made it seem racist. we posted the entire document. we put that is the context. and she said it was like it was space laser story from a couple months ago so listen, i'm not going to try to make sense of

this speech clearly hughed more closely to the public speech he gave last month at the conservative cpac gathering where he did speak about wanting to remain in the republican party and to be a big member of this party going forward. at the same time, it's clear the political vendettas are not going anywhere, including against senate minority leader mitch mcconnell who was in trump's sights last night according to reports. and it's, again, notable to hear him say this behind closed doors, especially because republicans both in the house and senate have one job going forward over the course of the next 18 months, and it's to re-take majorities in both of those bodies of congress. that is the goal, and republicans, donors and operatives alike that i talked to, the big question is, is trump going to help in that effort or is he going to hurt? the ways he can help is by endorsing candidates who are incumbents, especially in seats that could be competitive going forward. we've already seen his office, 45th office of the president, begin rolling out endorsements this week. they're also putting

we are trying to collect the facts and buy back machines that that shows that around 10 million cpac mike mibach machines. sitting in america and used collecting dust in people's closets. so we're trying to collect those and send it over to the covid patients where they can help as a non critical jews, ventilators and we're really desperate need off oxygen concentrators and pulse ox emitters also. people can drop off used breathing machines at her practice, the gilroy family dental center on first street in gilroy or the sikh gurdwara in san jose, now to washington and a live look at congress tonight in just about an hour, president joe biden will address congress and the nation. the address to a joint session of congress is usually delivered in february, but it was delayed because of the coronavirus, our political reporter greg lee, here now with a preview and also look at what else the coronavirus has change. just about the speech tonight. yeah, frank. good evening. not only is this first address later than normal, it also look very different from others in the past for one to bay

this party in the aftermath of donald trump's presidency, have been centered around him, things like cpac, which were very public, of course, and even events like this rnc spring donor retreat which are happening behind closed doors. he is still the focal point and he still wields a lot of power over the future of this party. even the people who were concerned about that are aware of the power that he brings so what this event is going to focus on is behind closed doors both hashing out the role that donald trump might want to play and he's going to, in some ways, continue to tease what that role is going to be. consider that this week, we saw him roll out several new endorsements of people that you would expect for him to endorse, senator marco rubio, senator rand paul. the question is, this event is supposed to lay the ground worg for, in the immediate term, the 2022 midterms and in the longer term, the 2024 presidential election. i know i just heard groans about 2024 but this is around the time those seeds start being laid for people who are thinking about running for president. so, th

after that, a recent cpac conference. then, conversation with james clyburn, including his involvement in the civil rights movement, democratic victories in georgia, and the filibuster. announcer: this weekend, watch the trial of derek chauvin, charged in the death of george floyd. here testimony from a pulmonologist. the trial, sunday at 10:00 a.m. eastern on c-span. announcer: c-span is your unfiltered view of government, funded by these television companies and more, including comcast. comcast is partnering with community centers, so students from low income families get the tools they need. comcast supports c-span as a public service, along with these other television providers, giving you a front row seat to democracy. announcer: authors, journalists, and historians talk about the history and future of the alt-right movement in america. the new republic hosted the forum. >> this evening's panel discussion with the title, right

debate about what the right level of security is rather than just try and score points like he did at cpacuryn did with her video about pelosi. >> it's a great question, and the answer is i don't know how this is going to play out politically. obviously a u.s. capitol police officer has died, and the other has been injured. he is in stable condition at this point. whether or not this is used for bipartisan agreement that something more long-term needs to be done about the security of the capitol remains to be seen because lawmakers, especially republican lawmakers really have made this a political issue about not wanting the fence to be surrounding the capitol, about democrats wanting to stay inside of their kind of fortified area while the rest of the country is exposed to danger. that's kind of been the talking point. so now that, again, another one of -- another capitol police officer who is protecting lawmakers day in and day out has died, i think that, you know, hopefully it will force some kind of meaningful conversations among lawmakers about what really can be done here, not just t

. >> have you wrote a critical op-ed last month saying 68% cpac delegates want to see president trumpgive a him very favorable rating only 68% said they wanted him to run i think 50 some odd percent said they would support him if he did he has -- at the message there is we like what you did, but we may not like how you handled yourself i think the president is thinking about this needs to take that into consideration but we got several gee before the contest firms up no needing to beyond what he said to maria yesterday, i am thinking about it. >> he did tell maria would consider ron desantis governor of florida as running mate who are real contenders? i think, that -- senator tim scott response to biden other night really -- was -- uplifting for so many americans, conservatives he now i know that it is very soon after that speech but it was really incredible in terms of really getting the message across beginning to formulate what conservatives stand for. >> yeah, you know amazing we had two speeches the other night, one of them semi mediocre presidential address the other one, the re

the cpac poll a couple of months ago he was number one among everybody not including donald trump.g to neutralize the guy who could run against joe. >> and this will have a boomerang effect we have seen the criticism. ron desantis became that much bigger as a national figure as a threat to win the republican nomination. you talk to any trump supporter, steve, a solid majority of them will say if trump doesn't run desantis is my guy. i don't hear anybody else mentioned in the conversation. they don't want a congressman or senator they are seen being from the swamp doesn't matter if they are republicans or not. desantis is the guy. with "60 minutes" being based in new york and everything, when is that profile coming on andrew cuomo and his handling of nursing homes or of vaccine distribution, overall florida has an older population. it has a larger population. it has four major cities and florida has 17,000 fewer deaths than new york be. florida has been open since last year. new york has basically been shut down until recently. boy, that would be a pretty good story for "60 minutes"

collapse because there's inadequate air coming either forcing it out or forcing get in which his wife a cpac machine works is because it forces air through that sloppy area. and if that collapses, then it makes it difficult to get air in. >> so dr. thomas, what you rely on to reach the conclusion that low will oxygen was a mechanism of death? >> in this case it was primarily the evidence from the terminal events, video evidence, that show is the stiffly in a posn where he was unable to adequately briefed. >> so how does the autopsy report itself assist you or not? >> so the way the autopsy really helps is it's great for ruling things out. so in this case the autopsy ruled out, for example, underlying lung disease. mr. floyd had had a history of covid, but there was evidence in his lungs at the time of his death that he had any lung disease that would impair his ability to breathe. and it ruled out injuries to the neck that suggest that his, the bones in his neck had been broken, for example. and it ruled out a stroke. he didn't have a stroke so wasn't like his blood pressure was so high that

. >> and the crowning moment of that was cpac when you had one after the other.ack from the ritz carlton in cancun and started railing against country club republicans, with a leader who lives in a country club that he actually owns. that's been fun to watch. but i guess the extension of what you're saying about how trump has the republican party kind of lock, stock, and barrel, still, is that trump has also between from the republican party the winning philosophy of small government conservatism that they had. when they signed up to trumpism, they also threw that out the window. and now they find themselves in a position where they don't have a philosophy that they can win on. they fall back on the cultural issues. but they've also got to fall back on what we've been talking about all this program, which is what's happening in georgia. if you can't win on an idea, because you've thrown that out, in order to support trump, you've also then just got to restrict voting even further to the people that you know are going to vote for you and try to exclude as many of

caters to, you know, to the craziest elements in american politics, folks who show up at places like cpac news and believe everything that they hear. that's not -- you know -- that's not a mainstream view and it's also -- i don't think there's a credible intellectual position of the republican party represents anymore. they're not -- it's not the republican party of the 1980s, i'm sad to say. >> max, is this an era of performtive grievance for the republican party? in other words, is this just one of these phases that a party goes through and maybe people like you will come back home to to a changed republican party, five years from now, a decade from now, or do you believe this is now set in cement? that this is what the republican party is in the era of donald trump? >> well, you know, nothing is forever. and obviously, the republican party and the democratic party have been around for a long time. the republicans have been around since the 1850s. and in those years, they have stood for a lot of different things. there's huge, vast differences, you know, between teddy roosevelt and herb