have any plans to visit anytime soon shows you just have not seriously they are taking this problem, gaia. guy: marie i know how much you love to augment aoc m going to come out this me different perspective from you. but he talked about communication for if you can put your spokesperson hat back on for a second there are factual challenges on the ground there also messaging challenges. they keep refusing to call this a crisis. if a message from administration or principle is clearly clashing with reality or not working out, how does the process look internally about how do we perhaps start to change the way we talk about something? suspect the problem is different parts of our country politically of different versions of reality right now. the white house is pointed out that indeed there are surges, see general surges that happen different times in different years relief seemed very high numbers read some cases higher than what we see now back in 2019 for example. >> there blowing out those records now. >> what i think the white house is trying to focus on, gaia, it is also a lazy argume

so gaia, the teachers unions are -- they can be summed up in that rant. one person sort of represents all of the teachers union spree that is randy weingarten. she is the one who's been so instrumental in keeping kids out of classrooms saying that the cdc does not understand science. although there are reports saying kids can return to classes of 3 feet of social distancing was arrived at through science, what are your thoughts? >> i'm glad you brought up randy weingarten in addition to the teacher iran california. among the most powerful unions in the country what is she been up to over the past few weeks questioning at a very public way self is all over the place. been jetting from state to state with fellow adults in the teachers union, in person. and in one of these selfie's she is sitting at a table at a restaurant where there five or six other teachers not 6 feet apart, not 3 feet apartment right next to each other cheek to jowl. i saw that image and i saw some of these photos of the jet she is flying on. how are those union meetings for adults more