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i spoke with jack murphy, who is a former army ranger and green beret, who's been sounding the alarm about these issues. take a listen to what he had to say. >> i think it is dangerous. i think it becomes a question of dual loyalties. if we look in regards to the qanon conspiracy, if you really believe that our government consists of a cabal of pedophiles that are, you know, trying to deconstruct democracy, then it becomes a question of who are you loyal to, what are you fighting for or what are you fighting against? >> steph, i also spoke with gary reed, who's director for intelligence at the defense department, and he said he found what we discovered that was very disturbing and not in lines of conduct for the defense department, and he said it was, quote, flatly unacceptable. now, it's worth noting this is a small fraction of special forces. this is not everyone in the special forces community, but as secretary austin has said, even a small number of extremist behavior or views in the military can be quite dangerous. and these are our best-trained members of the military, lethally

. >> jack murphy is a former army ranger and green beret who writes and has a podcast about the militarywe found in two of four secret groups that rereviewed. >> is it dangerous that we see members of the special forces community espousing these sorts of views? >> i think it is dangerous. i think it becomes a question of dual loyalties. if you really believe that our government consists of a cabal of pedophiles that are trying to deconstruct democracy, then it becomes a question of, who are you loyal to, what are you fighting for or against? >> collectively, the two group have more than 5,000 members, with some members belonging to both. u.s. special operations command has about 70,000 current personnel and there are thousands more retired special for two kek dades. >> can you give me a sense of how prevalent extremism is in the military? >> a big problem we have is there's literally no good data. >> why are these secret facebook groups we found with special forces talking about things like qanon. >> it's very difficult. these are the exact troops who we do not want involved with things

the story of radicalization in special operations is a story that needs to be told, said jack murphy,out the special operations forces community. quote, it has shocked and horrified me to see what's happened to these guys in the last five or six years. the very few in the gop willing to stand up to conspiracies and lies are finding it's a very lonely path. from the "new york times," quote, mr. riggleman, former republican congressman of virginia, is a living example of the political price of falling out of lock step with the hard right. he lost a gop primary race last june after he officiated at the wedding of a gay couple and once he started calling out qanon, whose followers believe that to satanic network of child molesters runs the democratic party, he received death threats and was attacked as a traitor, including my members of his own family. we're now within two minutes of president biden's news conference at the white house but i want to introduce our friends watching with us, nbc news correspondent, carol lee. here's president biden. let's listen. >> to come to the white hous