john mcwhorter joins me now. . >> thank you, then. >> ben: it is always a pleasure to talk to you and read your work, and i've been reading it over the past several months as you've been taking on the category that you call the elect. can you tell our listeners and viewers tonight a little bit about who the elect are and what they are doing to this country? >> well, the elect, frankly, trying to ruin this country, although they genuinely think they are bringing us in a new and beautiful direction. my issue is not with the woke. i think of myself as woke. the left are the hyper woke, or more to the point, the elect are the woke who are mean. this means woke people who decided in order to make the world properly woke, it makes sense to defend a straight people, destroy careers and reputations, with the idea of being we are on our wayh i'm not sure the brave new world they are imagining is one of most of us would think of as a good place. >> ben: one of the elements of this that we see happening across the country ri