but liz cheney is ahead of the curve.e success so far of joe biden, the acceptance in the polls of his programs if we look at the insurrection, the populist not buying the big lie that the republicans are still going back to with this nonsense in arizona and you look at those numbers that i talked about, if you go forward 12 months, his grip on the party is going to loosen more. his latest approval rating, 32%. when he was in office, he was hovering, 42, 43. three months later it's dropped ten points. donald trump i believe in the future as the democrats get more and more wind in their backs, i think his grip loosens, i do. the problem with politicians most can only take snapshots of today and can't look at tomorrow. >> that's true. i want to show all of you an interview that george stephanopoulos did with vice president kamala harris this morning. let's watch. >> senator tim scott said last night that america is not a racist country, do you agree with that? what do you make of his warning about fighting discrimination wi

mccarthy is saying there is still a place for liz cheney. >> is liz cheney a good fit for your department on the scope of a bipartisan commission to investigate the capitol insurrection, agreeing with democrats that the commission should focus solely on what happened on january 25th and not political violence on the far left, as team trump wants, even though it was right wing extremists with their flags who stormed the capitol. trump told "politico," if you minimize what happened on january 6th and we appease it, then we will be in a situation where every election cycle, you could potentially have another conversation and guarantee a situation where we don't guarantee a peaceful transfer of power, we won't have learned the lessons of january 6. eugene, i'm sure you've seen the breaking news. liz cheney is now taking up space underneath donald trump's skin. he just put out one of his miss missives, attacking her. i was about to go on the air and she said to me, this is a security story. liz cheney sees the republicans, it would appear, as part of the problem when it comes to homeland and n

rybelsus® today. >>> republican senator josh holly is criticizing house republican conference chair liz cheneyof step with gop voters and members. the split also continues between cheney and house minority leader kevin mccarthy over donald trump's role in the republican party. cheney says she believes senator, such as holly, who let's remember, led the effort against certifying the 2020 election should be disqualified from running for office in the future. this as she is not ruling out a presidential run herself in 2024. today mccarthy was unclear if he would support cheney if she's challenged in a primary. >> if she does ask you to campaign for her in a primary run, would you do so enthusiastically? >> i haven't talked to her about it. >> all right. cnn senior political correspondent abby phillip joins us now. this is playing out right in public for everyone to see. so, what are we to glean about the current state of the republican party? >> i think that both josh holly and liz cheney are onto something with their comments. there is this massive chasm that has emerged. i think the question, t

he sent one out this afternoon attacking liz cheney. wyoming and has so little support that she's looking for a way out of her congressional race. based on all polling there is no way she can win. she'll either be another lobbyist or maybe embarrass her family by running for president in order to save face. of course, cheney does not engage with the former president on any level, but she has made it clear that she thinks the future of the republican party should do everything they possibly can to remoove donald trump from that vision. >> he also called her a warmongering fool. joining us are dana bash and john kasich. dana, trump slamming liz cheney not much of a surprise. what is a bit of a surprise, however, is the distance that kevin mccarthy seems to have started to put between himself and liz cheney. is she on a bit of an island here as josh hawley is claiming? >> well, certainly that's what the former president is trying to do, but they're certainly making it an elevated island by continuing to talk about her, especially this stat

liz cheney discusses the future of the republican party and the conservative movement. she is speaking at the georgetown university institute of politics. these events will be online at c-span.org or you can listen live on the free c-span radio app. joining us is lisa mascaro, the chief congressional correspondent for the associated press. lawmakers back in washington this week to meet on infrastructure, a bipartisan meeting. is there room for compromise between the democrats and republicans? guest: good morning, steve. that will be a fascinating meeting at the white house. president joe biden has been reaching out, trying to court republicans over his infrastructure plan. they say it is all talk and no action. they see what happens on the covid relief bill, where he had one meeting with republican senators, and then had democrats passed the relief bill on their own. there is a lot of skepticism coming into this meeting. yet, at the same time, this has been a kind of issue were all sides can come together. everybody needs roads and bridges and broadband across communiti

that's different from what liz cheney is saying. she is out there, with maybe a handful of other elected-republican officials, who are trying to put the squeeze on the former president. because they believe that is the only-viable path for the gop. >> dana bash, paul begala, thank you. amazing times. >>> more breaking news next. president biden is set to announce new-cdc guidance on mask use tomorrow but it's not expected to apply to every american. we have breaking details, when we continue. through the dirt. i feel something in me, like a fire, that's just growing. i feel kinder, when nature is so kind to me. find more ways to grow at miracle-gro.com. the harry's razor is not the same. our razors have five german engineered blades designed to stay sharp, so your eighth shave is as smooth as your first. and we never upcharge you for high quality. harry's. available in store and at harrys.com. and that ending was so intense. i know, i didn't even see it coming. are you gonna watch? eventually! you know the drill. (humming) never fea

liz cheney, very good catching up with you. >> liz cheney -- >> pregnant pause there. >> yeah, exactly. like i'm not sure what to do with that. liz cheney staying the course when it comes to her defense of the u.s. constitution. it's easy for her. let's see if every republican can do that. >> trump and i we've had a hell of a journey. i hated to end this way. oh my god i hate it. from my point of view he's been a consequential president, but today first thing you'll see, all i can say is count me out. enough is enough. >> i'm doing a golf tournament where president trump this sunday, may 2nd, in my campaign is going to auction a slot off to play in this tournament. you have lunch, you have breakfast with president trump. you get a photo. you play at his golf course in florida. it's going to be a lot of fun. >> a tale, willie of two characters. >> that is so painful. >> they had the strongest of convictions. they had the weakest of convictions. >> unfortunately there are a lot more lindsey grahams than there are liz cheneys. in fact two or three liz cheneys in this case. adam kinzinger

there was nor condemnation for liz cheney than there was among her colleagues for the insurrectionistsbased on the big lie. and so she spoke out against that. she was one of ten house republicans who voted to impeach. she's the highest ranking gop woman in the house. the only woman in her party's leadership and the only woman to cast a vote for impeachment. what was the response? to try to censure her instead of trying to really disabuse republicans of the big lie. but just as i guess people like marjorie taylor greene and josh hawley have been able to raise money off the big lie, you see liz cheney raising money for speaking truth to power and really standing in the truth and not, you know, really succumbing to the trumpism that still seems to dominate the party. >> and that record fundraising haul is interesting because what it does do is suggest to those establishment republicans who have not gone along with the big lie and there are some, they are few, but there are some, that there might be a different center of gravity growing in the republican party. >> absolutely. and, look, th

liz cheney, very good catching up with you. >> liz cheney -- >> pregnant pause there. >> yeah, exactlyonstitution. it's easy for her. let's see if every republican can do that. >> trump and i we've had a hell of a journey. i hated to end this way. oh my god i hate it. from my point of view h

that's different from what liz cheney is saying.is out there with maybe a hand full of other elected republican officials who are trying to put the squeeze on the former president because they believe that is the only viable path for the gop. >> dana bash, paul, thank you. amazing times. >>> more breaking news next, president biden is set to announce new cdc guidance on mask use tomorrow but not expected to apply every american. breaking details when we continue. ♪ ♪ it's the biggest thing that ever happened to small. visit your local mercedes-benz dealer for exceptional lease and financing offers. [typing sound] i had this hundred thousand dollar student debt. two hundred and twenty-five thousand dollars in debt. ah, sofi literally changed my life. it was the easiest application process. sofi made it so there's no tradeoff between my dreams and paying student loans. student loans don't have to take over for the rest of your life. thank you for allowing me to get my money right. thank you for allowing me when i'm on my hands and kne

it's the post-trump republican party where things have gotten so bad congresswoman liz cheney needed to defend her basic civility, that fist bump she did with the president of the united states earlier this week. cheney is the third ranking republican, the house gop conference chair, and she's been duking it out with the house minority leader kevin mccarthy over not just fist bumps but over mccarthy's embrace of president trump and president trump's election lies and what should be the future of the fractured gop as cnn's manu raju explains. >> reporter: congresswoman liz cheney facing new turmoil internally amid her feud with former president trump donald trump and the house gop loyalists erupting after the congresswoman responded to questions at a gop retreat this week in florida all stemming from trump and his role in the deadly january 6th attack on the capitol. >> that's a decision that the justice department is going to have to make. >> reporter: saying trump is not the leader of the party. >> i think our elected leaders, you know, are the ones who are in charge of the republica

this shows me that liz cheney is an incredible political figure. she's not only a woman in the boys club of gop leadership but she's one that can take on trump and win. we had a lot of people who wanted to take on trump but they decide it's too hard, throw up their hands, they resign, and she said, no. i'm going to stand my ground and be here standing here longer than you. >> i have to say, the way they chose to go after her, though, the reference to seeing a girlfriend in the stands, the reference that robert keeps on referring to in his article about her attitude, it felt to me about this criticism you hear in society, they need to smile more. it felt like that to me amanda. >> yeah. this is her just not falling in line and waving the red flag. it's the tribal partisan politics where we back our team no matter what. why we're in such a terrible place. and there's a feeling, you hear it expressed by people like josh hawley, for example who objected to the certification of biden's election, which was the kindle that sparked the insurrection, saying

the only difference between mccarthy and liz cheney in this case is that liz has been consistent withy has been consistent in his ambition, which is to be the speaker of the house. his theory of the case is he can't become one, the republican house can't regain the majority if he does not appease donald trump, if he doesn't tamp down trump's anger. liz cheney has the opposite point of view, which is the party simply cannot move on, cannot be a viable party unless it renounces trump, a person who attempted to overturn a democratically held election, and make the party about what it was before trump came on the scene, which is a party for limited government and low taxes and low regulations. unless and until they return to that, then it's always going to be the hot blooded populist themes that led to things like the insurrection. >> you know, one of the funnier parts of your piece is you have a quote from a republican after a four hour long meeting, republican caucus meeting. they are sitting there and everybody is venting at liz cheney who is staring at them for four hours. a member of

>> well, what he did not say is give a ringing endorsement of liz cheney. throw his weight behind representative cheney and he's denied doing so. today he was also asked earlier in the press conference if he would campaign enthusiastically for liz cheney if the former president -- if he endorsed a primary challenge against her, and all he said was, well, we haven't talked about it yet. so the mccarthy/cheney debate is kind of a proxy for what is happening within the battle, power struggle of the republican party. and it's becoming very problematic for this party. leader mccarthy is trying to win back the majority of the house, every republican is. but he sees a speaker being speaker of the house that is very much on the line and within his grasp. he thinks he needs the trump supporters, trump base and he needs those members in trump's district in order to do that. he's hugging the president very tightly because he thinks had will get him that speakership. where you have cheney, who is talking about the soul of the republican party. she's looking down the fu

one of those people is liz cheney. she got a fist bump from president biden. a handshake from mitch mcconnell. you can see him there. she's in the next couple of rows here. what stood out to me, in some ways, the tone of the room was less partisan than it often is. instead of the focus being on the more outrageous characters of our politics, which has driven the last four years, it was much more interested in people interested in seriously governing. what was your take? >> i was not in the room like you were but watching it on the screen, it was just a stark difference of the most recent state of the unions or joint addresses that we have seen. one under president trump and even going back to president obama as well where partisanship was just visceral and so in the air. last night, i don't know if it was because there were fewer people in the room or it was just after january 6, what the country has gone through and president biden addressed it so eloquently but it did have a much different feel that politics is getting back to normal. politics is more about

is liz cheney saying let matt gaetz know it was me? >> or maybe she's just saying look at these chickens coming home to roost, right? this is that kind of a thing. what's fascinating about this, roger stone's tactics and strategies have often proved to work, surpriseingly, only thing to contribute it to is white privilege but in this instance it's continuing to backfire. what i noticed about the press conference from the former gaetz staffer, he happened to mention he offers free services around military advisory work while he's in the private sector. i don't know if they've never heard of congressional ethics but may be concerned citizens out there want to call to report an inappropriate gift, right? there are these kind of things happening. so sometimes when you find yourself trying to clean up a mess, you create more mess. fact he was in florida state legislature opposing revenge porn while showing off videos of naked women on his phone, also problematic, he's talking about he's not a monk. sir, we know, just trying to figure out if

it risked getting the liz cheney treatment. lled attention to the fact that most of them were not. a writer at large for the "new york times" magazine joins me now. robert, one thing that came through in the great piece as i was reading it and it's something that i think you have tweeted about, is that i think a lot of us who, you know, consume media across all sorts of landscapes and are not steeped in right wing media. donald trump is off twitter and he is not in the white house and gives an interview and does not make news. he vanished and does not loom large. but at the grassroots represent are -- republican level, he is still looming large. tell me what you found in the reporting of the piece? all right, i think his audio is out. we have been having a little bit of audio difficulties and i believe robert draper could not hear me. i think i could not hear him so i think what we will do is this, iknow we took a breaker already, we are going to with go to break and get it fixed, don't go anywhere, i will be back in a moment, f

and will republican congresswoman liz cheney run for president in 2024? the new interview that has plenty of people speculating this morning. ♪ >>> a very good morning to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. it is tuesday, april 27th. we're about to get some new guidance from president biden on mask wearing outdoors. these are new rules for vaccinated and unvaccinated americans. plus, what activities we may be able to resume which i know we're all looking forward to p. this comes ahead of the president's first address to congress tomorrow night. as of this morning, nearly 29% of americans are fully vaccinated. more than 42% have received at least one shot. want to get straight to the white house and bring in john harwood. what are we expecting from the president today and kind of why? why are we getting this today, the day before the joint address? >> john, we're expecting the president to once again demonstrate the strategy that's guided him throughout the first 100 days, which is make modest promises, make damn sure you can meet t

sam, a question about liz cheney. it is not on liz cheney or the democratic party to fix this.here being really effectively fixed just by outside forces. it always needs a partner on the inside. my question is who is that going to be? >> i don't have a cinematic reference to offer you. i don't think it will be liz cheney. at this point in 2009, the tea party movement was not thriving but on its way to thriving. they had held a bunch of tax day protests across the country, they were joined by top republican leaders at those protests, i believe, our esteemed guest michael steele may have gone to one of those. there's a reason no such movement is happening now. part of it is there hasn't been appetite to do any form of autopsy. the other thing is it is a cult personality. by that i mean the base, movement, much of the republican infrastructure and lawmakers are waiting to see what trump will do, talk queues from trump. saw that with nikki haley saying she wouldn't run for president if trump dipped his toes in the ring. this is what happens when a party is based on personality and

and my hat is off to liz cheney. i have been there. it's a tough place to be.ink she's done the right thing. and she doesn't back down at all. and frankly, if she's to survive, i think it will be because she's not equivocating now. so she's done the right thing. the party, the republican party, desperately needs people like liz cheney if we're going to be a force in the future. so i'm glad she's holding on. i'm glad she's speaking out. and my guess is she is more than used to these kind of cat calls or whatever you want to call them from the back seats. but she's in leadership. she's doing the right thing. i'm glad she is where she is. >> i think a lot of women are used to hearing those sort of things, but you point out, you have been there. you kind of know what that feels like to be on the outside of your own party. and look where you are. you're no longer in congress. she's holding on, but i just wonder, when you talk about the strength of the republican party moving forward, do you see signs of these people who are so adamantly against the republican party

kevin mccarthy not even able to say anything about liz cheney. what do you make of that?ou really have here, jake, is the stark disagreement over the most pressing question for the republican party and it future, what to do about donald trump, and what it boils down to is that liz cheney wants the party to move beyond trump and kevin mccarthy wants the party to keep trump in the fold. they want to win back the majority in 2022, and they don't even really want to talk, if you talk to members, strategists, they don't even want to talk about donald trump necessarily, but what really throws a wrench in all that have when reporters like melanie or me or others ask liz chainy about what she thinks about donald trump, she doesn't back down from her statement and her belief that the party needs to move on, and that is really what irks mccarthy and sends this sense of disunity within the conference that he's trying to say is unified. >> but there's also this difference in the fact that liz chainy is telling the truth and kevin mccarthy is lying when it comes to the big election li

liz cheney's going to be there whether the odds look bad or good.xt to you in a bar fight. i like defiant. i like somebody who thinks truth and facts are the things you need to stand on and i think if you're in that bar fight, looking at the type of people that you have, i think liz would be shoulder to shoulder with me when i was trying to get a bad person out of there. i think the people like matt gaetz, they're going to look for the nearest spring breakers and go hide behind them. that's the difference. i'll take liz cheney in a bar fight every day and you can have the matt gaetzs and all those individuals and if you have people in congress saying she's defiant or saying, oh my goodness, she wasn't humble enough? the issue is that you had a lot of wrong people standing on the shoulders of stupidity when it came to stop the steal and i think it's ridiculous you have individuals saying she's defiant when she's talking about the constitution and i'll take defiant over boot lickers any day. >> well, and phil rucker, it's so upside down and backwards,

i think liz cheney is thinking about bigger things.y. she's not shy about how she feels about donald trump. internally now, republicans in the house have a problem. do they keep her as a leader or not? >> what do you think, governor kasich? >> well, if they throw her out, that would be the dumbest thing in the world. look, she has a right to have an opinion about donald trump. the guy cost them the senate, the house. he couldn't win those seats down in georgia. what the heck are we talking about here? i think she's very rational. i think she is not shy about expressing herself. frankly, at the end of the day it's about being honest with yourself and looking at yourself in the mirror and feeling good about it. that's what i think this is all about. good luck to her. i'd love to go and campaign for her. i'd either campaign for or against her, whatever would help her to win. >> gloria, you have new reporting on the former vice president mike pence. >> mike pence is somebody out there who is in a way while embracing donald trump, he's also

liz cheney is a real conservative.also a fighter. >> and there's more from draper's piece, male gop lawmakers harshly criticized congresswoman liz cheney during that conference meeting over her decision to vote to impeachment trump. several of the comments were decidedly sexist and sparked outrage among gop women in washington. one such comment has generated particular outrage. pennsylvania congressman mike kelly reportedly said, quote, you look up into the stands and you see your girlfriend on the opposition side. that's one hell of a tough thing to swallow. >> according to the times, a female colleague yelled in response, she's not your girlfriend! but the comment quickly spread among the female gop circles. i would think some men were shocked by this too. in other comments, congresswoman ralph norman insisted that cheney has a, quote, defiant attitude and congressman john rutherford chastised cheney for not being, quote, a team player. the conference meeting went so far as to have several members requesting that che

>> yesterday he said he thought liz cheney was on an island of her own.f those senators who led the charge to invalidate the election. one of the things cheney was making the point of earlier in her comments this week is anyone who was part of that really should be disqualified from running for higher office, holly firing back. i want the read exactly what he said. quote, this is somebody who has no support in her own caucus, who has hung her own members out to dry over and over. i think she's on an island. of course, cheney is one of the republicans who voted to impeach donald trump in the house, one of the very few republicans who decided to make that vote. and i think that one of the things to keep in mind here is that, yes, cheney is in a different place in the house conference, but she's not necessarily the only person who has these visions. she's one of the only people willing to speak out about it right now. >> it's so interesting to hear what house speaker kevin mccarthy has said about cheney's leadership position because she's number three in the

liz cheney -- mcconnell is navigating, but liz cheney is standing firm. >> signs and wonders of the timesney has to explain on social media why she was respectful to the president of the united states. all right, jason, i've got one for you, and the big thanks go to laura ingraham for paneling. a town meeting and putting together some red state governors, a gathering from which this quote emerged. here is the governor of florida, who wants so very badly to be president of the united states someday, and the subject is race. >> i mean, give me a break. this country has had more opportunity for more people than any country in the history of the world. it doesn't matter where you trace your ancestry from. you've had people that have been able to succeed. here's the problem things that critical race theory that they are peddling. they are saying all our institutions are bankrupt, and illegitimate. how do you have a society if everything in your society is illegitimate? it's a very harmful ideology. i would say really a race based version of a marxist type ideology. we >> jason, how about it. y

and so many people are looking to run against crazy liz cheney. we only want one. cinct response about who she will not be supporting for the 2024 gop presidential ticket yesterday. >> if donald trump were the 2024 nominee, would you support him? >> i would not. >> okay. liz cheney, very good catching up with you. >> okay. liz cheney joining us now, cofounder of punch bowl news anna palmer. good morning to you. it's great to see you. i know you guys have some reporting this morning about this very fight that is playing out, the impeachment ramifications, the split between those who are willing to continue to have donald trump be a leader in the party and the handful of folks who have not. what's going on? >> yeah, the rift that continues giving when you're reporting, but certainly there was a big debate as you well know among corporate america after the january 6th insurrection about whether or not to support those republicans who voted against certifying the ele ecedo cut off their campaign contributions. what we're reporting this morning is it didn't really matter

do you have a vote of confidence for liz cheney as your conference chair?for the third time i will remind you that where we are as a conference is that we are absolutely unified in stopping the soerl istsocialist agenda a what we need to earn back the trust of the american people. that's where we are at. >> congressman kevin brady, republican from texas, who is retiring. i appreciate you coming on and sharing your perspective. thank you, sir. >> thank you, sir. appreciate it. >>> coming up, i will talk to the white house's top economist about the administration's big agenda and how we're going to pay for it. >>> later, rudy giuliani is denying the fbi warned him that he was a target of a russian infiltration campaign of sorts, even as another trump ally confirms, yeah, he was warned, too. ♪ ♪ i had the nightmare again, maxine. the one with the lollipop— no, the other one. where the children go to the candy store, but it's out of wonka bars... it's ok, wonka. there are proactive ways to help keep customers supplied and happy. they're called digital workflows

steve scalise, the minority whip, does not appreciate what liz cheney has been saying.day. >> i know the media likes making a lot out of some of the conversations when maybe liz cheney takes some direct swipes at president trump. president trump is still a very active part of our party and a vocal leader in our party. >> yeah, i mean, he's team trump. >> oh, he is. and there are lots of grumbling on the republican side about liz cheney, who is quick to criticize donald trump whenever she can. she believes he should not run for president again, for example. and their point is that either you're in the leadership and we're with donald trump or you're not in the leadership if you're against donald trump. and there is a sense, and i was just talking to one republican today about it, there is a sense, they like kevin mccarthy, and there's a sense that she is putting kevin mccarthy in a tough spot, where he has to choose between cheney, whom he has defended in the past, and donald trump, whom he has also defended in the past, as you know. so, it brings the party's disagreemen

but what liz cheney is doing here is really interesting.t reads donald trump from the republican party because she believes that that is what the party needs to move forward. she also knows, she's in the small minority in the republican party. she does not represent the majority point of view whether among republican voters or even republican elected members in congress. as you noted, she is only one of ten to vote to impeach the president in the aftermath of the january 6th insurrection. but her taking on senators like cruz and holly, p eople who may really run in 2024 and calling disqualifying their support for that electoral college count rejection challenge, if you will, again, not necessarily a majority view inside the republican party. but one that liz cheney is firmly planting a flag on and saying in i believe is the way that republican party can move forward. >> david, as you know, there are two schools of thought, right, on trump. there is the school of thought some of us within the party, right, he drags them down. right? we saw t

with that, i want to thank congresswoman liz cheney for joining us this evening. rep. eney: great to be with you, mo and all the students of georgetown. thank you very much for having me. mo: we were chatting before we started and as i was telling you, i came up through politics, i worked in democratic politics. i was the former spokesman for the democratic national committee, but one thing i always believed in my bones is that our politics are better when we have two strong parties. and when both are bringing their a games it forces the other to bring their a game, and that healthy competition. i truly believe that. you have talked about the need for your party to turn a corner, so to speak. it's in that spirit that i want to start this conversation. but i want to start at the most basic level. you have been in republican politics her whole life. it's in your blood, in many ways. and so, i want to start by just asking you to share your thoughts on what a republican is. what is it mean to be a republican? rep. cheney: thank you very much for having me. it's interesting

because i think people like liz cheney, you know, and adam kinsinger, jamie herrera butler, those arecult will die out. >> all right, former congresswoman barbara comstock, thanks very much for being here. we appreciate your perspective. we'd love to have you back down the line. thank you. >> thank you. >>> this is very exciting. i'm thrilled to be able to cover this on "way too early," breaking news from kennedy space center in cape canaveral, the elon musk space-x, launched two astronauts to the international space station. liftoff is scheduled for 5:49. that is three minutes from now. in this good weather. this is the third-ever flight for space-x and the second flight for the crew dragon capsule. the journey is expected to take a day, with astronauts docking at the space station early tomorrow morning. and joining us now is nbc news correspondent tom costello, who covers aviation for us. tom, you cover so many things for us, i've always been so jealous that you cover space launches. it's possible i was awarded the best, the most enthusiastic camper at space camp. what do we know a

congresswoman liz cheney, who's running the weekend event, says it will focus on republicans gettingtive policy. when asked if donald trump would make an appearance, the congresswoman said, quote, i haven't invited him. joining me now is meredith mcgraw, white house reporter with politico. meredith, welcome back to the broadcast. look, donald trump may not be invited but mar-a-lago and all that embodies is not very far away, so to what extent will donald trump loom over this event? >> reporter: well, i had to look it up and mar-a-lago is about two and a half hours away from orlando so it's a pretty quick trip if he did want to make a last-minute visit but as you said, gop conference chairwoman liz cheney said that trump was not invited to this weekend's gathering, which is really meant to unify the party on policy points and she's really hoping to make this about conservative policies and gathering lawmakers around issues like china and healthcare, among other things, but even though trump's not going to be there, he's still going to be looming over everything. he recently put out a

that amendment sponsored by jason who is a democrat and by liz cheney who is a republican. it passed the committee by a vote of 45-11. it became law later in the year. after the senate overrode donald trump's veto. it seems to recall the only veto they overrode. so a new story with a swifter or more profound effect on this one did. by now, you have guessed the punch line. it was fake. "the new york times" was a lie. it was placed in the paper by neocons to subvert the democratic system, and it did appear to once again impose their will on the country. the republicans don't want to stay in afghanistan for 20 years, they did and got their way because they lied.ye the so-called intel community is admitting this, they admit the story was not true and doing it for a specific reason. joe biden decided he wants out of afghanistan, but before we can withdraw the troops, we need new facts. you have to fix the story or you can't pull the troops out and the cia is happy to oblige. none of it is real. they can say that now. but what we can't do with stop attacking russia. so maybe russ

>> liz cheney. >> like you.blicans and real conservatives serving right now? >> it is liz cheney and already not enough republicans with strong core values serving to stand up for what is right. let's not forget, that moment on january the 6th, kevin mccarthy could have chosen to leave. and he did for a second. and then he retreated. and that kind of fear is exactly what donald trump feeds upon. and if kevin mccarthy thinks that donald trump will actually support him in any future leadership role, i think he's crazy, because donald trump knows exactly what kevin mccarthy is. he's not going to back him. and when he starts looking at what happens in 2022, yes, there's a good chance that republicans would take back the house, except for donald trump. look at georgia. we're talking about a lot of swing states that the republicans did hold in 2020, but may not be able to hold in 2020, based on donald trump, him endorsing more extreme right candidates in primaries, who can win and can't win back the district. this is

do you think liz cheney can remain in the current republican party?eign policies but even that, there is -- they're on a different track. does she keep her position in the party of the leadership? she may. she has no longer any influence in this party, the people like liz cheney are less popular than people like marjorie taylor green and the republican party today. that tells you everything you need to know about the republican party today and it is what's fascinating to me and all of these things as you know because you cover all of this stuff. the small story always tells a bigger narrative. the small story here is unless you are willing to lie to republican voters and not tell them the truth, you have no influence in the party and you no longer part of the republican party. so basically the table stakes for being a republican or leadership or of any influence at all nationally are even in states, you have to be willing to lie to their base and if you are not willing the lie, you have no part of the base. >> terrifying. thank you very much matthew.

is what jake sherman say about it today, they will publish an expert -- and of the new podcast liz cheneyin which she talked about the primary challenge, hauling an interesting stuff if you are a subscriber, this would be back and forth between cheney and sherman in that interview, sherman saying that the mentioning of his last question in that interview about her primary challenge, saying you think you are going to win that? clearly you would not be doing it. she said i'm confident i'm going to win. it is going to be a challenging win and i'm prepared for that right now, seeing she has multiple opponents. she response, i look forward to whatever that primary looks like , whoever i'm going to be up against. if you want to read more on that interview, punch bowl news this morning. host: these speeches, the text of the speeches released a couple hours before the speech itself, gives reporters and others a chance to craft their reaction, their response, their writing. some reaction and analysis so far. this is jim from the new york times. his analysis, biden calling for big government on a n

. >> let me get your reaction to number three in the house of representatives liz cheney said yesterday on "face the nation" she supported an infrastructure bill put forth by then-president donald trump opposes the one they put forth by president biden, she explains. >> it's a different proposal obviously something less than 6% as, you mentioned as a proposal that president biden has put forward is focused on infrastructure the national association of manufacturers says that we will probably lose over a million jobs if this is enacted and you are certainly going to see in addition to the corporate tax increase in the bill you will see middle-class tax increase. this is a pattern that we watch the democrats used time and i again, where massively increased spending, they massively expand the federal government and then they come back around and oppose middle tax classss increases. those are not things that we support and things that i support. >> two points from the conversation on facebook nation, is it only 6% for roads and i bridges. >> this is a good question, what is infrastructure,

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. >> defeat liz cheney in this upcoming election!ebruary gaetz went to battle against a fellow republican, congresswoman liz cheney, traveling to her home state to lead a rally against her after she voted to impeach former president trump. >> i have been here for about an hour, and i feel like i already know the place a lot better than your misguided representative liz cheney! >> reporter: last year the congressman announced for the first time that he has a 19-year-old son, a cuban immigrant that he says he's been parenting for years as a single dad. >> i couldn't imagine loving him anymore if he was my own flesh and blood. i raised him for the last civil years and he's just the most remarkable young man. >> reporter: and announced his engagement this past december after proposing to his 26-year-old girlfriend at mar-a-lago. and as he's fighting for his political life amid all of these allegations, he continues to dig in. in an op-ed this week, the congressman defiantly says he will not resign and suggests people are out to get him b

. >> defeat liz cheney in this upcoming election! >> reporter: this february, gaetz went to battle against a fellow republican, congresswoman liz cheney, traveling to her home state to lead a rally against her after she voted to impeach former president trump. >> i've been here for about an hour, and i feel like i already know the place a lot better than your misguided representative, liz cheney. >> reporter: last year the congressman announced for the first time that he has a 19-year-old son, a cuban immigrant that he says he's been parenting for years as a single dad. >> i couldn't imagine loving him any more if he was my own flesh and blood. i've raised him for the last six years, and he is just the most remarkable young man. >> reporter: and announced his engagement this past december after proposing to his 26-year-old girlfriend at mar-a-lago. and as he's fighting for his political life amid all of these allegations, tomorrow will be such a huge moment for him. he is keeping a long-standing speech at trump's golf property in mia

we'll hear from nancy pelosi and liz cheney. we'll also look at the crucial caveat in chairman powell's assessment. our recovery is tied to americans taking the coronavirus seriously. in michigan, the covid-19 situation is so bad, that governor gretchen whitmer used a trifecta of sports analogies. >> the fourth down on the two yard line with five seconds left in the fourth quarter. we cannot afford to strike out, fumble the ball, it is everybody against covid. >> brennan: she is lobbying the biden administration for more vaccine supply. so far they said they'll help, but no extra shots. >> we don't know where the next increase in cases could occur. now is not the time to change course or vaccine allocations. >> brennan: especially not when there are supply glitches, and even more demands. in a week, all americans over 18 will be the eligible for a covid-19 vaccine. >> biden: no more confusing rules, no more confusing restrictions. >> brennan: we'll check in with former f.d.a. commissioner dr. scott gottlieb and look at the new g

and afterward liz cheney put out from her office criticizing all liberal policies. fine. have a poll sigh debate, but have a human moment where we can acknowledge they're working on it. >> i've spent time with friends, republicans and democrats, where we'll really engage in these -- the kind of -- the ideological warfare, you know, big questions about what is it the federal government can do, what can it do well, and what can't it do well. and that's a real debate. unfortunately in power pow politics in washington, people are not having that conversation. it's about taxing the rich and pitting people against each other, when these are far conversations to have. i think to your point, liz cheney has emerged as someone we've known for years, having covered her father as vice president, who's an ideological conservative, but who believes in institutions and believes in democracy and appropriate behavior in office and so forth. >> showing you there is some common ground, right? >> right. and now we have to ask, is it exciting enough in this post-trump-traumatic order to have

he did this most recently with liz cheney.went to her district, the gop conference woman, and started a campaign to have her lose her job in the republican conference. this is not a man who is very well liked in the republican conference. >> i just want to show our viewers what he did when he went there. have a listen. >> if liz cheney wants to assemble her supporters, i invite her to do so. i'm here to be the mast head for the america first movement going forward. >> do you think liz cheney is partying tonight? >> i don't know about partying. i think for every republican, this is a little bit -- first of all,ly allegations here are extremely serious. if true, he was victimizing a 17-year-old. we haven't confirmed that. i can tell you that, yes, i know that he dated women who were much younger than him, in their early 20s, but the justice department probe, that still remains to be unverified, at least by us, at this point. i think it's certainly telling that republicans haven't jumped to his defense. he has this sort of insane

i will disagree with something liz cheney said, liz cheney and mitch mcconnell are not in charge of the republican party. i don't even think there is any one person in charge of the republican party today. this is animal house. there is no greek council. the fraternity is in charge of the republican party, and they have lost control of it. >> and we all know they are already on double secret probation. so one, idai have one for you, you will not like it as much. this is the work of marjorie taylor greene. she writes today, quote, remember when republicans lost the house in 2018 because a bunch of them distance themselves from president trump? not advice president trump to the gop retreat is the same stupid behavior. funny how they don't understand a record number of votes on support of any republican president. a friend of mine said, or reminded me, today even a broken clock is right twice a day. one either, here's the question, could it be that she is right about this? >> brian, i will say, she is not wrong. i hesitate to agree with anything marjorie taylor greene says. i think matt hi

go. ♪ >>> in a new interview with the new york post, the number three republican in the house, liz cheneyhe is not ruling out a potential presidential run in 2024. congresswoman cheney criticizing the presidential ambitions of some of her republican colleagues, telling the post, quote, i do think that some of our candidates who led the charge, particularly the senators who led the unconstitutional charge not to certify the election, in my view, that's disqualifying. joining us now is cnn political commentator errol louis the political anchor for spectrum news. good morning to you. how do you think that senators hawley and cruz are going to be responding to these remarks? do you have to be a trump loyalist to realistically consider a 2024 run coming up here? >> good morning. i think put your finger right on it. the price of admissions to the club who are going to be seriously considered as a republican nominee in 2024, you've got to be -- you've got to be at least okay with donald trump and with his loyal followers. they are the republican party at this point. i think liz cheney is kidding

but, as i'll disagree with something liz cheney said, liz cheney and mitch mcconnell are not in chargean party. and i don't even think there is any one person in charge of the republican party today. this is "animal house." there is no greek counsel, and the fraternity is in charge of the republican party and they've lost control of it. >> and we all know they're already on double secret probation. so, juanita, i have one for you. you're not going to like it as much. this is the work of marjorie taylor greene. she writes today, quote, remember when republicans lost the house in 2018 because a bunch of them distanced themselves from president trump? not inviting president trump to the gop retreat is the same stupid behavior. funny how they don't understand a record number of votes and support of any republican president. so a friend of mine reminded me today that even a broken clock is right twice a day. juanita, here is the question. could it be she's right about this? >> brian, i'll say she's not wrong because i hesitate to agree with anything marjorie taylor greene says, but i think