modhi at a very big election calendar, and he was planning to continue. my general sense is that the government conveyed a sense of complacency, so it is ultimately culpable for people taking the situation very casually. anchor: how concerning is it to see these massive political rallies and religious festivals ongoing at such a dire time? >> it is a terrible scenario to watch. which should have been more careful. i want to take you back to vaccines. [indiscernible] we were the world's largest vaccine supplier. today we are supplying about 4.3 million doses per day. but, we are giving close to 4 billion doses per day. at this rate, we will be running out of vaccines very soon. we need more deployment, to 10 million doses per day. if we want to do anything about the third wave. we are far behind. the government has asked for public financing, for being able to double its supply. over competently promising. the government is also licensing six more companies to start manufacturing production for all of this to happen to start production, it's going to take

what have you heard from prime minister modhi? the effectiveness of a lockdown. ramanan: lockdowns are said to be more effective when done early. it is a tough situation for someone, a local government or policymaker, to decide a lockdown when cases are still on the rise but not high yet. this is what was done last march, but india's big lockdown when there were about 500,000 cases i think was successful from the standpoint of containing the virus. it is a difficult decision and message, but that is the only way in which lockdowns work. otherwise, they end up causing both economic damage and do not solve the health problem. haslinda: why is india suffering this crisis now? what missteps perhaps were made? ramanan: india is going through the same viral dynamics as we have seen everyone in the world, but in multiple waves. i think there was a perception that covid had been done and dusted in january and february of this year. everything opened up, the rallies, the gatherings, the weddings, the cricket stadiums. i think there was nev