biden and the ongoing story of lattimer putin what kind of cooperation or competition is normal for these 2 countries today we're talking with someone who's been one of the keenest observers of russia u.s. relations for decades dimitri simes is an author and professor on soviet and russian studies and an expert in geo strategic affairs he's met with putin and he said vised american presidents on relations with each other and he's the president and c.e.o. of the center for the national interest and publisher of the foreign policy focus journal the national interest dimitri simes it's great to have you on the show today let me just ask you as we have now moved into an inflection point politically at least in the united states and as both countries are sort of trying to figure out how to manage their equities their interests i know you have a very realist lens of how to get that right what do you think is most important right now for joe biden to try and accomplish with lattimer putin. things if as is most important. but if you go into this. new way the good mood is can you google. the simpl

right what do you think is most important right now for joe biden to try and accomplish with lattimer putin. i things affairs is most important. to the american ship but if you go into this. new way the good nobody can you who will. be simple in principle motivated you to accomplish because if you are better allies but if you have wall you would go russia. and if you were to put him in there were to. others that you forget about nuclear weapons well then you're going to dissolve so it's quite a challenge for him to write about them you know one of the things you wrote recently in the national interest is the united states had to decide whether it wanted to be a hedge a monic democratic empire that prevented anyone else from basically having a say in the world or whether it had to recognize its constraints live within those and allow other nations to do that where do you think the u.s. is going right now with that calculation. well i thought it was. talking about of the united states not just being the number one but creative being that india. has if you will in the free world is supposed to

right what do you think is most important right now for joe biden to try and accomplish with lattimer putin. things if as soon as the most important. american ship going to go into this. new way would look at it can you google. the simple principle. to use it to accomplish. better allies whoa. or. to put it in there. for good to go nuclear weapons well then you're going to design so it's quite a challenge for them to write about them you know one of the things you wrote recently in the national interest is the united states had to decide whether it wanted to be a hedge a monic democratic empire that prevented anyone else from basically having a say in the world or whether it had to recognize its constraints live within those and allow other nations to do that where do you think the u.s. is going right now with that calculation. well i thought it was. talking about of the united states not just being the number one but creative being that india. has if you will in the free world is supposed to diminish that is to do with present this completion with russia as an end of logical struggle it's