it was really in her dna in lbj's case. he shared that and he also had a very long political career. so by the time he gets into the presidency, especially as he becomes conscious of the the challenges and the controversy and the and the criticism of his presidency his his inclination is also to document so that down the road historians have some opportunity to to look back at his presidency in a documented way and make some some sense of it rather than very much in the moment. he also had you're talking about the lb those those secretly recorded tapes. he had massive distrust of the press and he want end of those around him his political adversely and he kept that record in order also to sort of be on the record himself and have some control over the historical record. so what does one learn about lady bird johnson from listening to her own voice recording her days that is very different from the public record or public persona that people solve her. the public persona that people saw of her was a bit more two-dimensional.

lbj clearly trusts her totally. they are doing politics together and she is making something happen. i sometimes think that she might be the originator of what we know as the johnson treatment, only with a softer touch because look at how sure herself is and look at how together they are in their partnership. >> yeah, it worked the other way too. people who wanted something from johnson would often go to her to run interference. the east wing of the white house is at least as busy as the west wing even if it was focused slightly differently. >> it was a different political operation at the end of the day. i think i want to say one more thing betty sue about the date of this which is it's december 1963, so they are just back to the ranch after the horrific day in dallas and moving into presidency and it's a busy time for them because they feel this sense of urgency of building the right narrative together and establish that lbj is capable of unifying the country. it's also a time when there was no vice president. the

as an interview lbj did with walter in the early 1970s in which lbj is sitting in that chair and waltercouch and you see exactly what you see right now. the president was alive for about a year end a half when this library, he was inaugurated in 1971 and he died in january 1973. very limited time during which he was part of the library but a very important time. lady bird johnson continued to make an important part of her life until she died in 2007. this library is just as much about her touch as it is her husband. throughout the room, there are wonderful artifacts the johnsons collected while they were in the white house, some come from heads of state and others from friends of theirs who gave the johnsons gift for the presidential library for the white house that was brought to this space. one such item is painting by diego rivera, one of 15 paintings that diego rivera did during the course of his career, it was given resident johnson from the president of mexico during a state visit there during the course of johnson's presidency. for some of the painting on the right, charles russe

the queen, prince philip, prince charles, and lbj is sitting in that chair and walter cronkite on that couch and you see exactly what you see right now. the president was alive for about a year and a half when this library was built, it was inaugurated in may of 1971 as i mentioned he died in january of 1973. he had a limited time he was a part of this library's life, but a very important time. lady bird johnson continued to make it an important part of her life until she died in 2007. and this library is as much about lady bird johnson and her touch as it is her husband's. throughout the room, there are some wonderful artifacts that the johnsons collected while they were in the white house. some comes from heads of state. others come from friends of theirs who gave the johnsons gifts for the presidential library or for the white house that were then brought to this space. one such item is this painting by diego rivera, one of 15 cubist paintings that diego rivera did during the course of his career. it was given to president johnson from the president of mexico during one of the stays

the new site, lbj tapes the org, marks the 50th anniversary of the lbj presidential library.any of the conversations are still so relevant to the issues we face today. in one recording from january 65, now this is hard to hear, but we've highlighted the words, president johnson spoke to the reverend dr. martin luther king junior on voting rights. >> i'm very honest with you mister president -- [inaudible] have less than 40% of the negroes register to vote. very interesting to notice that. and i think a professor at the university of texas, in a recent article, brought this out very clearly. so, it demonstrates that is so important to get negroes registered to vote in large numbers in the south. and it would be this coalition of the negroes vote and the moderate rightful that will really make the new south. >> that's exactly right. i think it's very important that we not see that we're doing this and we're not doing this just because this negroes or whites. but we take the position that every person born in this country, when they reach a certain age, that he have a right to v

but the reason the lbj library and the lbj school of public affairs are on the campus the university of texas because mrs. johnson. you know. so it's so wonderful to hear the stories. and of course the whole nation is grateful to your to mrs. johnson for what she did and put in preserving and starting that process that continues today at the white house yet. linda johnson. i wonder if we can go to the story that you you told me. i'm preparing for this which is it goes to your mother's understanding of how thrilling it could be for america to be able to just see a bit of the white house and it involves the story of her i guess as a young woman going to the gate just as a tourist with a camera. can you tell us that story please? well, then he gave mother a moving a movie camera. and mother used it and so we now have the lbj library movies mother standing outside the white house gates taking pictures singing movies of mrs. roosevelt and leaving the whitehead. she has pictures of mrs. movies of mrs. roosevelt coming to the senate. ladies luncheons. and they're wonderful wonderful movies

we think about racial equity, we will think about kennedy, lbj.when the civil rights movement was at its height. lbj was in a position, given his congressional majorities, to enact a pretty radical set of programs. that is not going to be the case for biden. biden is going to have to work to move stakeholders together to get the kind of movement lbj got through legislative programs. again, i don't think there is a comparison, but i do think biden is helped by the fact that almost everyone understands -- they may not agree with, but they understand the terms systemic racism and know it exists. all policymakers are aware of that and trying to navigate that and that is different from lbj. elaine: ok, interesting. one of the things -- of course, kennedy had a fairly disastrous first 100 days because he authorized the bay of pigs invasion, which turned out to be a mess. generally, kennedy is not getting very good marks, but one of the things he did early on, he did brake control of the rules committee, which is one of those little pieces of history. mo

lbj just five days after the assassination of president john f. kennedy.r able to turn a national crisis into sweeping reforms. our next guest points out president biden has that same opportunity. back with us tonight is doris currents goodwin, presidential historian and author. she's written best sellers about both roosevelt,'s the kennedys, lincoln for starters her latest work is the very pertinent leadership in turbulent times. doris, it's terrific to have you. the argument, it's been a debate after the speech that was in the state of a union was there it was the most liberal and far-reaching and ambitious legislative agenda in 50 years. the argument has been is it john sonia or roosevelt again? we figured you have written about both men, one of them you worked for and you will, lyndon johnson, what was it to you? >> it seems there is a comparison between the scope of the ambitions that lbj had with the great society, and the ambitions and aspirations that biden recommended in his first joint session of congress speech. in both men, it seems came into a

lbj five days after the assassination of president john f. kennedy.tunity. so back with us tonight is doris kearns goodwin, historian and author. she's written about both rooseveltses, the kennedys, lbj and lincoln and the latest work is "leadership in turbulent times." it is terrific to have you. it's been a debate after the speech that wasn't a state of the union. isn't whether it is the most liberal and far reaching and ambitious legislative agenda in 50 years, the argument has been, is it johnsonian or rooseveltian? you've written about both men. one you worked for and knew well, lyndon johnson. >> it seems there's a comparison between the scope of the ambitiouses that lbj had with the great society and the ambitions that biden recommended in his first joint session of congress speech. both men it seems to me came into a crisis. we forget the crisis that faced us the assassination of jfk. it could be russia or cube bah. there was a sense of paralysis and made the civil rights passage a number one priority and he goes to the congress to talk about

we're talking about lbj. those are when the civil rights movement was really, i think, at its height. and lbj was in a position, given his congressional majorities to really enact a pretty radical set of programs. that is not going to be the case for biden. biden is really going to have to work, move stake holders together to get the kind of movement that lbj got through legislative programs. so again, don't think there's comparison but i do think that biden has helped in this instance by the fact that almost everyone understands -- they may not agree with, but they understand the term systemic racism. they know it exists. certainly all policymakers are aware of it. they're trying to navigate that. that's very different from lbj. >> okay. interesting. and, you know, one of the things that, of course, kennedy, who had generally a fairly disastrous first 100 days because he authorized the bay of pigs invasion, which turned out to be sort of a mess, generally kennedy is not given very good marks. one thing that

or take lbj. he won the presidency by an even larger margin in 1964, 23 percentage points.and when the dust had settled on that election, democrats controlled the house by more than 2-1 majority and they controlled the senate by more than a 2-1 majority. 68-32. so if you're wondering why the new deal got off to a bad start and kept on going, or why the great society got off to a bad start and kept on going, just keep your eye on those numbers that i've just cited. and so the, you know, the dissimilarity between those two fast starts and the political situation that the biden administration faces could not be starker in my opinion. finally, ronald reagan. and this is a more interesting comparison, in my view, because reagan famously campaigned on and then announced it as he became president that government wasn't the solution, government was the problem. biden, it seems to me is trying to put a minus sign in front of that proposition and everything that he does is unified by the proposition in the circumstances we now face, government is the solution and not the problem. if

the new site lbjtapes.org marks the 50th anniversary of the lbj presidential library.nversations are still so relevant to the issues we face today. in one recording from january '65, now this is hard to hear but we've highlighted the words. president johnson spoke to the reverend dr. martin luther king, jr. about voting rights. back with us tonight the celebrated author historian michael beschloss. but even more relevant to our discussion tonight, two more of his seminal books, taking charge, the white house johnson tapes 1963 to '64. and we've always recommended people buy these books. the audio version so you can hear michael's curated narration and hear the actual jonnson tapes that go with them. if you'll forgive a further personal note. michael and i both learned as adults that we had each written letters to president johnson as very precocious young kids did in the early '60s. and because that interest never waned we have both of us listed to the hundreds of hours of all of his existing recorded phone conversations. and michael, let's start there. the courageous

they are very different human beings but the lbj style, combination of lbj and the new left and he was -- obama was a fusion of the two sides of that third wave. those are the three waves of liberalism which have washed over us and each one has changed our politics and are mostly. if you look back over 100 years at the progress of liberalism you will see how different american politics is than it was in the 19th century and you will see how the conservative resistance to these liberal waves has been less than successful. there have been some important successes along the way but essentially the modern conservative movement didn't really come on the scene in american politics in a strong way until the end of the 20th century. you could say ronald reagan's election in 1980 was the first major triumph of the soviet movement and maybe gingrich's success in 1994 and ending 40 years of democratic control of the house of representatives unprecedentedly long period is also an important moment but that's 1980 and 1984 per the centuries virtually over which is why i call it the liberal century.

barack obama in many ways with the lbj style combination of lbj in the new left and obama was a fusionf the two sides of the third wave. those are the three waves of liberalism it changes the politics enormously so if you look back over 100 years that the progress he will see how different american politics is in the 19th century and you will see how that conservative resistance has been less than successful but the modern conservative movement didn't come on the scene in a strong way until the end of the 20th century. you can say ronald reagan's election in 80 was the first for the conservative movement may be gingrich success 1994 ending 40 years of democratic control of the house of representatives that is along. that is an important moment but that is 1980 and 1994 the century is virtually over. this is why i call the american liberalism. >> that's a good and interesting survey. but one more question of liberalism on the one hand there is a duality and those changes they have made of those three waves of liberalism would you think it is desirable to try to get rid of? to go back to

the bulk of his papers were at the lbj library in texas.espite having been there i half-century they are not fully processed. i spent some time in texas but the saving grace came when pearson's former secretary arrived to do her oral history and brought archival boxes. these were filled with documents that drew pearson had personally called to write a memoir he never completed. those documents, which he considered the most important, served as a shortcut through the rest of his collection. and then there were all the columns he wrote between 1932 and his death in 1969. it was a daily column including weekends and holidays. all of these collected columns amounted to 50,000 pages of material and they were all online at the american university's digital archives. as someone who started out doing research on brittle newsprint and cranking through microfilm, it was astonishing to be able to access all this material on my own computer. as i read through the material it became clear that for all the stature and prominence drew pearson had made pow

and after decades of studying lbj he was look a photograph. the moment where lbj is being sworn in on air force one and the day of the assassination of jfk and jackie is there and he interviewed every single person in the photo and finally he realizes one person he had not interviewed and it was the photographer who wasn't in the photo. so he looks up his number, calls him, he's in florida, his wildfire answers the phone, he says, the ultimate understatement, my name is robert carrow and i write book another lynn bon johnson and he said he's been waiting his entire life for you to call. and so you have so much of what carrow calls turn every page, turn every damn page. wonder if you could take to us a couple of those most wonky in the weeds discoveries that people like you and me, it's really our jam. what were the goodies in your research process in this and how did you find them? >> guest: there were so many. the -- there's a moment in the book that it's one of those things that if i were writing fiction i would not even use it because it wo

lbj's being sworn in on air force one the day of the assassination of jfk and jackie's there.e interviewed every single person in the photo, and finally rshe realizes there was one pern he hadn't interviewed, and it was the photographer who wasn't in the photo. so he looks up his number, calls him. he's in florida. his wife answers the phone. he says the ultimate understatement, my name is robert caro, and i write books about lyndon johnson. and she said he's been waiting his entire life for you to call. and so you've got so much of what caro calls turn every page, turn every damn page. i just wonder, like, if you could take us to a couple of those most wonk key, in the weeds -- wonky, in the weeds discoveries that people like you and me, like it's really our jam. what were the goodies in your research process and how did you find them? >> guest: boy, there were so many. you know, there's a moment in the book that it's one of those things that if i were writing fiction, you i would not even ut because itt would feel too kind of overbroad, too on the nose. it's so so perfect bu

rob or cara tells the famous story about he was writing about lbj and after decades of studies he was looking at these photographs and the iconic photo of the moment are or lbj is being sworn in on air force one on the day of the assassin and and -- assassination of jfk and he is interviewed by every person above any family realizes there was one person he ended interviewed and it was the photographer who was in the photo. he called them and he's in florida and his wife answers the phone. he says the ultimate understatement my name is robert caro and she says he's been waiting his entire life for you to call. so you've got so much of what caro called turn every page turn every page. i'm just wondering if you could take up a couple of those most wonky in the weeds discoveries that people like you and me like it's really our jam. what were the goodies in your research process and how did you find them? >> guest: there were so many. there's a moment in the book that it's one of those things that if i were writing fiction i would not even use it because it would feel to overbroad. so perf

she also discussed her life after lbj's death. ♪ >> in washington dc, violence corrupted in the hallsation of president truman from the visitor's gallery of the house of representatives. five congressmen were hit. ben f jensen of iowa, clifford davis of tennessee, to -- can roberts of alabama, george h fallon of alabama and robert bentley of michigan who was seriously injured. observers noted the attack came as the conference opened in venezuela and suggested the motive may have been to arouse anti-u.s. feeling in latin america through an act of blind violence carefully calculated to inflame america's relations with her neighbors. estimates of the numbers of shots fired range from 15 to 30. each bullet hole found is a grim reminder of the terrible surprise attack. the gang, seized shocked bystanders. a widespread search was launched for other tubes chaired -- for others who shared the pot. for the gun wielders and their accomplishments -- accomplices goes the distinction of having perpetrated a criminal outrage unique in american history. wanton violence that shocked and stirred the n

giving president biden a standing ovation, the only real debate being whether he's more like fdr or lbjder if we can afford the $6 trillion on programs he touted to congress. >> the worst attack on our democracy since the civil war. we're on track to ask cut child poverty in america in half this year. [applause] this is the largest jobs plan since world war ii. >> every single sentence had a very clear point to it, and every line of it had that biden humility in it. >> conservatives need to reject biden's claim that our country's in crisis at all. these only exist in the minds of leftist idealogues who hate america anyway. howard: guy benson, as you noted earlier and as a few journalists elsewhere pointed out, joe biden campaigned on a far more moderate platform. remember, he wasn't bernie, he wasn't elizabeth. if a republican president had done that -- and donald trump was a disruptive president, but he laid out most of what he was going to do in the campaign -- wouldn't the pundits be screaming this is outrageous and this is not what you promised the american people? >> yeah, race to

she talks about her life after lbj's death.ens of thousands of anti-vietnam war protesters, young people, and military veterans converged on washington, d.c. in the spring of 1971. more than 7000 of them were arrested in a single day. sunday, we welcome fewer questions as we look back 50 years at the forces that collided on the capital streets with lawrence roberts. he's the author of a white house at war. this is a joint production of american history tv and c-span's washington journal. this week, we are looking back to this date in history. >> it was almost two years ago that five men broke into the democratic national committee headquarters in washington. it turned out that they were connected with my reelection committee. the watergate. can we came a major issue in the campaign. the full resources of the fbi and the justice department were used to investigate thoroughly. i instructed my staff and campaign aides to cooperate fully with the investigation. the fbi conducted nearly 1500 interviews. for nine months, until march

that didn't sustain my argument and excel example of this would be i think in in i'll go back to my lbj library days. um, bob cairo who's written? he's been working on lyndon johnson for 30 year 40 years almost now and and his books i think are well worth reading. but initially he had a very firm idea of what he wanted to do with johnson, i think and it was very negative. even he would just teach cherry picked evidence now, lots of people do that. it's not just bob terrell, but he was a he was a good example and i in early in a couple of early graduate seminars that i taught i would use him as an example of how not to deal with evidence. and so i mean they're different ways to go at it. you can either use evidence the way lawyers do which is to exactly cherry pick evidence and only use the things alan nolan and i used to talk about this my dear friend alan nolan and your friend alan. alan was a lawyer in a very good one and he would he would have an argument in mind and then he would go find the evidence that supported it and and ignore a lot of other i used to laugh with alan and say y

time about his plans in the sort of grand, historic sweep, thinking big, big, big, like fdr and like lbjesident, a politician who's talking up, playing up the size and the scope of his ambitions and his programs. we'll see this again today. massive budget by president biden envisions the biggest deficit spending since world war ii. and that's, again, the president saying these are historic times, they take historic measures. and his twist is, he said, we're going to include everybody. so this is a populist appeal, looking down the road, making the case for biden as fdr, biden changing america. >> mike, anything in that opening offer that surprised you? >> yeah, the size, the fact that president biden not pulling back from the ambition of it. and we got some specificity on something that we have been suspecting for a long time. and that is, according to media reports, looking ahead to this budget, which we will see today, his plans on some of the tax increases on the wealthy are going to be retroactive. people have suspected that. the white house has never committed to it. and of course t

about the civil rights act moment and are there any interesting stories about his interaction with lbj. >> eisenhower actually -- we know that he was involved in the crisis at little rock, right? and he really wanted to do more. in our holdings, we have little notes that he wrote that said he did what he could do. he should have done that. he wish he done that. all of that is on the side. he did -- he did have the first civil rights bill since the civil war. he did appoint african-americans to executive positions. he did include african-americans in important roles and positions as he could. he appointed a justice -- a united states justice who would support desegregation. he desegregated the military. truman set it up, but the military didn't completely follow through and eisenhower made the military comply with that order from president truman. he desegregated washington, d.c., and so he acknowledged that there was more to be done, but we feel that what he did do set up the civil rights movement from the '60s. it sort of set a platform that they could launch from in the '60s. jumping

anything about his interactions with lbj? >> eisenhower, we know that he was involved in the crisis at little rock, and in our holdings, we have notes that he wrote that said he did what he could do. all that is on the side. he did have the first civil rights bill since the civil war. he did appoint african americans to executive positions. he did include african americans to as many positions as he could. he appointed a united states justice who would support desegregation. he desegregated the military. truman setup, but the military didn't completely follow-through and eisenhower made the military comply with that order. he desegregated washington, d.c.. he acknowledged there was more to be done, but we feel that what he didn't do set up the civil rights movement for the sixties. it set up a platform that they could launch from in the sixties. >> jumping back to the holdings, you mentioned i think it had to do -- an item that is actually from the fdr library? is that correct? it's on loan from there? >> it was transferred f

he has looked to fdr and lbj as his role models. he will push back against the term progressive. there are many on his staff, parties who say this is the moment to go big. he frames this media will take care of matters at home, everything from voting rights to infrastructure to prove democracy still works with rising countries like china. they want to see if there can be progress and done in a bipartisan fashion. their support has cooled. there is a meeting set up with republicans to have the next round of discussions but disappointment that the republicans haven't come up from their original offer which is $600 billion, but nowhere near what the white house wants. there is hope they can have a hard infrastructure compromise like internet and broadband, and then it can go alone with health care, child care. but there is dimming hope this can be done in a bipartisan fashion. but democrats want to keep trying to send a signal to moderates like joe manchin, hey, we kept trying. >> it's tough being president. you sometimes have to wonder why you want it so much. but there he is and w

there is a famous story about he had written about lbj after decades he was looking at photographs that accounted a photo of the moment on air force one and the day of the assassination of jfk. finally he realizes there was one person, a photographer that wasn't in the photo so he looks at the number, calls them, his wife answers the phone and he says the ultimate understatement my name is robert caro and i write about robert johnson. she said he has been waiting his entire life for you to call. you have so much of what he calls turn every page. i just wonder if you could take up a couple of those most wonky in the weeds discoveries that people like you and me like it's really our jam. what were the goodies in your research process and how did you find them? >> there were so many. you know, there is a moment in the book if i were writing fiction i wouldn't even use it because it would be broad and on the nose. it's too perfect but the truth is what it is and so, i had the original brothers were very secretive. all of them are. there are not a ton of interviews that they've ever given ab

the hoover presidential library, and the lbj foundation. before found joining the faculty at the university of new york she taught at polar mo, betty is the author of a number of books including first ladies, the ever-changing rule, which we will be talking about tonight. ladybird and, lyndon the hidden story of a marriage that made president. the roosevelt woman, and inside the white house. she currently resides in new york city, and sometimes, although not, now in venice italy. >> welcome betty. >> thank you very. much happy to be here. >> i know our audience is looking forward to this conversation, so we're going to have a read back and forth and they were going to go to questions from our audience. at the beginning of our, book you discussed the rule of the early first ladies and how they set important precedents. can you elaborate on those early first ladies? women such as martha washington, abigail adams, and dolly madison. how they influence the war. >> yes we know there was nothing in the constitution about what's president should d

he was not out there, it was not lbj grabbing by lapels and saying folk this way i'll get a new pipeline in your neighborhood. he was following a dignified quiet approach. as a quiet form of leadership that was very effective. anything that is ultimately how he was able to rise, succeed, continue to be a hero, what are we 200 some years later? one of my favorite stories and help like play a joke on him. what is he do? you pass them on the back which is something you would never do to someone of washington's stature at that time. something we would do today but something you would never do them. he said washington turned and looked at him. and had such a stare on him governor morris said the blood in his veins was chilled by the look that washington gave him. i don't think washington said anything to him. hamilton that morris cady asks the question outside of that really interesting story you told about the pigs in winchester, what was the most outrageous thing you learned in your study of washington's life people may not know. statement you know, i'm going to regret going to come back to

the humanities the franklin and eleanor roosevelt institute, the hoover presidential library and the lbj foundation. before joining the faculty at the city university of new york. she taught in palermo and rome. betty is the author of a number of books including first ladies the ever-changing role which will be talking about tonight lady bird and linden the hidden story of a marriage that made a president the roosevelt women and inside the white house. she currently resides in new york city and sometimes although not now in venice italy. welcome betty. thank you very much. good to be here colleen terrific. well, i know our audience is really looking forward to this conversation. so we're gonna have a brief back and forth and then we'll go to plenty of questions from our audience. at the beginning of your book you discussed the role of the early first ladies and how they set important precedents. can you elaborate on those early first? ladies women such as martha washington abigail adams and dolly madison and how they influenced the role. yes, as we know there was nothing in the constitut

he wasn't out there moving in , lbj -granting you my lapel and saying this way and how you you. he was following identified client approach. it was quiet for leadership was very ultimately is how he was in you rise, 60 continue to be a hero. what are we to some years later. >> one of my favorite stories about washington's is when comes up to him to let you? he will do something you never do to someone washington's center at the time. something we would do today something you would never do that and he said washington turned and looked at seth astaire, a stony silence that governor morris said the water in his veins was killed by the look washington gave him and i don't think lwashington said anything to him. >> that's a great example piece of the story i love was hamilton and that mars, they were a couple of years together, he went happen afterwards was mortified. >> we've got a lot of questions from our viewers. a house is a story usual eggs in winchester, was surprising or outrageous thing that you learned in your study of washington's life no? >> i'm going to come back to som

lbj, there he is. lawrence billy jones, thanks, guys. kremlin was not involved in the cyberattack on the colonial pipeline even though the group behind the hack is based in russia. this is not a one-time event. they've also infiltrated many other government agencies during the past year leading some to wonder if joe biden is giving president putin a free pass. rich edson is live at the state department on that. >> good morning, sandra. president biden says the united states will disrupt these organization's ability to operate and plans to raise the issue with russian president vladimir putin. this is all part of a growing list of objectionable activity from russia. hacking and beyond. president biden says his administration has been in direct contact with the russian government about the colonial pipeline attack. questions of how much putin's government knows about these organizations. and whether they operate with the approval or even support of the russian government that routinely tries to disrupt the u.s. and the west. >> i want to k

they are not bailing out people on welfare as they did with lbj in the great society. so is it going to be when you see programs for child care or preschool or community colleges, in fact that would be a harder case for republicans to make. >> we will see pre-part of the thing they're public is at the deal with right now is they need something to unify them. this bill this infrastructure bill and the other planning like the american family plan that actually could do that. one of the things these programs sound popular breaks not by a lot it's 54%, 55% say guess i think i would like that. when you start asking the second question of how's it going to be paid for, thank it's a little bit more difficult. republicans of dons and pretty smart on this. the center from west virginia he was arty set i want to get a deal done. i am here. there's a few options she's on her phone and wants to work at it. forget republicans getting on board senator mark kelsey and manchin to name a couple. they're arty saying quote this might be too much. while joe biden feels like the planets ar

real big -- that he's the potential to be bigger than fdr and lbj and barack obama three of the biggest spending most expansive government presidents we've had in american history. i want you to keep something in mind our constitution is intended to prevent this sort of thing. go big go fast they're telling them. the constitution says go slow and be deliberative. you have three branches of government. we have separation of powers. we have a bill of rights. we have what we call states, federalism, the 9th amendment, 10th amendment we have a first amendment. and all of these rights under the bill of rights intended to protect against government massive government spending in all think reaching every corner of our society affecting all aspect of our culture that's nos what the constitution created. constitution didn't create some kind of neomarxist or democracy social regime of the sort he have in europe and other places in the world. and so i've been taking a very close look at these things. and joe biden executive orders, and you might recall the biden sanders manifesto that was 150 page

wouldn't pit washington as a political chest mastser like an abraham lincoln or an arm twister like lbj or wasn't the gifforded orator of perhaps an fdr or jfk but washingtons a a still of schools and instinct on reading people and had charisma. always the biggest guy in the man. physically large match. >>> by today's partan, answer to its, a great horseman, real presence and that raw charisma and he knew and that knew he was not that well-educatessed or articulate so he wills and the was a politician. there's a story in the book of a boats on a -- vote on a key issue and they were four votes sly in the senate and the senate was smaller. this is 40 votes. so they were four votes sly and washington sad madison ands to call for a revote and people were scratching the head. we need time to work on this, they were four votes shy. they call for an immediate revolts and the interim washington visits four standard flipped all four of them. we don't leave the details but one can only imagine somebody sitting in their office and the door opens and filling up the doorwell is george washington, wh

many presidents have gone away, lbj to his ranch, reagan to his california ranch.t so much at his gettysburg, pennsylvania, home, 365 days out of his presidency that his political opponents tried to use it against him. it's not unusual, but it's understanding that joe biden doesn't want to stay for a weekend where he works. >> yeah. it's kind of the office, so he's getting a way, getting out of dodge. what does this mean for white house resident staff? >> this is interesting too. the people i spoke to say it is kind of lonely for the staff on the weekends. >> really. they're lonely. >> that's when you get to know your principals, your president t first family, the pick a dill lows, the things they like, and no one is there for many of the weekends and it's been a little bit challenging. someone i spoke to said it might be because he feels like he moved into his ex's apartment. >> but they're on good terms. >> but eight years visiting the white house or the residence muflt get in your head a little bit. he did say in february when he spoke at cnn town hall he was un

there is a memo famous to people like me, lbj's top aide congratulating him saying he was sure medicaremedicare passed with 70 votes. once it was clear it could secure a majority a bunch of people jumped on board because they wanted to affect the outcome or take credit for something that was going to be popular. >> right now you would have a bipartisan majority. democrats and republicans coming together to have a commission. instead you have a party line minority that will block it, right. it is being killed here. what do you think about the status of the negotiations happening on the reconciliation track on the big jobs plan which is the next really big agenda item for the agenda and it does not need to go through the filibuster because it is in the reconciliation channel with the majority vote. >> well, it seems like the infrastructure bill probably will be able to pass mostly through reconciliation, so it will be able to bypass the filibuster and pass on a majority vote because of the reconciliation rules. if i had to predict it now i think it is unlikely it will get 60 votes and rec