we can speak to mary maureen. see, it was a former hennepin county chief public defender in minneapolis, minnesota. she currently teaches at the university of minnesota law school speaking to us via scott. many thanks for speaking to sarah. is there any merit to any of the ground cited in this appeal? as was said, almost all of the grounds have already been raised throughout the trial some multiple times. and so there really isn't a lot new there. one thing that is new is they are alleging germ misconduct and that is very vague. in fact, the, the defense asked the judge for more time to develop the points that they've made here because some of them are so vague, they're hard to know what they're specifically referring to. but one of the reasons they're bringing up term is conduct is because one of the jurors has been getting interviews publicly and had talked about going, or he actually hadn't talked about. it did participate in march in washington dc in august. and when he was asked on the questionnaire or whethe

marie. . >> president feinstein: is there anybody else having trouble hearing maureen? >> clerk: okay. there are two people on the public comment line. caller, would you like to make public comment? pardon me? caller, would you like to make public comment? >> commissioner cleaveland: the connection is terrible. >> clerk: caller two, would you like to make public comment? nobody on the public comment line is responding. >> commissioner covington: commissioner cleaveland says that he's having problems, so perhaps members of the public are having problems getting in. >> i think that is commissioner cleaveland's line that is the issue because no one else is having the same circles that he's having in the window there. >> commissioner cleaveland: is it my connection and everybody else is fine? >> president feinstein: yes, it's your connection, yes. >> commissioner cleaveland: okay. >> commissioner covington: but we can see and hear you, commissioner cleaveland? commissioner cleaveland, we can see and hear you clearly. >> commissioner cleaveland: maybe i'll just move my location. okay. i'll