dyson report cleared steve hewlett, - said there wasn't evidence.g about the '90s - being the wild west, you know, you are saying that it's . different on fleet street, david, but you and i know that phone hacking, for example, i when there's a great story, a reporter comes in with i a great story, actually- what happens, and it's exactly what happened here, is that lots of people in authority, i lots of people who should've l been the boss of martin bashir didn't want to ask questionsi because it was a great story. she did an amazing interview. he won awards. _ so, you know, and look at phone hacking. - i mean, how many editors defended themselves- by saying, "we never knew." so, anyway, iwould just like to sort of say that l i think that this is- a culture ofjournalism, that when there's a great - scoop, actually most people, there's a human desire not to ask the question. - which is where we get - to regulation, and richard's right, this is such. a difficult question. you know, one of the scandals here was that it's taken so long for the truth to

i worked for steve hewlett, a sharp guy, a very sharp guy. tim garden was my editor. tim soutar.ave brained that would boil water. are you telling me they were unable to uncover the pathological lies of martin bashir. of course they weren't unable to, so what point are you making? ituni’eiiii of course they weren't unable to, so what point are you making? well the oint i am what point are you making? well the point i am making — what point are you making? well the point i am making is, _ what point are you making? well the point i am making is, that _ what point are you making? well the point i am making is, that it- what point are you making? well the point i am making is, that it seems l point i am making is, that it seems to me that if you read dyson in detail, that there must have been, and i am the opposite of a conspiracy their rirks i really am. there must have been an agreement once the terrible scandal emerges, the bbc could not admit what had happened. i cannot believe that the investigation conducted by tony hall and some person call other person was as bad as dyson sa