lee harvey oswald lived in russia and wanted to go back to cuba and then absurd things. d were related or body doubles. you say to yourself how does this stuff happen. how do we allow ourselves, how do the many people in the public allow themselves to be taken in by the conspiracies. and i think that is one of the reasons why it is valuable to look back at the trial for example of jack ruby. to look back at the kennedy assassination. we are seeing an enormous amount of conspiracy theories now. >> yeah. it is fascinating when you learn the history of conspiracy theories. but i think this kennedy one was the biggest. we will see how it holds up in history against the big lie. but i certainly can't wait to read the book. dan, so grateful you are here and best of luck with the book. "kennedy's avenger" and it is out today and make sure that you pick it up. dan abrhams writes great books and does great tv and radio as well. >> don, thanks for having me. >> next, he says that he does not know what the ufos are, but he would sure like to. former president barak obama talking ali

you know, lee harvey oswald lived in russia. he wanted to go back to cuba.ou know, those are real things to consider. and then there are the absurd things, right? lyndon johnson was actually the one behind this, that jack ruby and oswald were somehow related in some way. this he were body doubles and this and that. up say to yourself, how does this stuff happen? how do we allow ourselves, how does many people in the public allow themselves to be taken in by these conspiracies? and i think that that's one of the reasons why it's valuable to look back at the trial, for example, of jack ruby, to look back at the kennedy assassination because we are certainly seeing an enormous amount of conspiracy theories now. >> yeah. listen, it's fascinating when you learn the history of conspiracy theories, but i think this kennedy one was the biggest. we'll see how it holds up in history against the big lie. >> yep. >> but i certainly can't wait to read the book. dan, i'm so grateful that you're here. best of luck with the book. the book again is "kennedy's avenger," and i

is, one of the most indelible and notorious moments in american history, jack ruby killing lee harvey oswaldl in police custody. just two days after the kennedy assassination in november 1963. what about the trial that followed? it has largely been forgotten and abc news chief legal analyst dan abrams is out with a new book that takes us inside one of the most overlooked courtroom dramas of the 20th century, it's called "kennedy's avenger," and dan joins us right now, dan, good morning. congratulations on this new book which i have right here. let's just start by talking about what you learned about th wwrinthis bo. >> wel didn't bo this trl and ththgshak t tofact that thi the biggest trial of the decade at the time. how has it been forgotten to history? it was also a really interesting trial that spawned many of the current conspiracy theories based on questions that went unanswered in that courtroom. for example, at one point the defense says to the prosecution we'd like you to stipulate that lee harvey oswald acted alone and the prosecutor says we're not stipulating to anything. and sudde

lee harvey oswald was supposed to be moved at 10:00 in the morning on the day he was killed.an hour and a 15 minutes later because he's wiring money to one of his -- someone who worked at one of his clubs and happens to stroll over to the police station and low and behold within a minute oswald is walked out. and he takes that opportunity to kill him. and he was there as an assassin. you get there on time. you don't take the advance of being an hour and a 20 minutes late and say oh, look at that, low and behold, we got lucky. he had another opportunity two days before when oswald walked right past him. if he was an assassin why dent he do it two days earlier. and finally he referred to his beloved dog, in his car. knowing jack ruby, he would not have left beloved sheba in the car. >> sheba, wow. dan, one element of this thing is striking to me, the american judicial system, so john kennedy is killed on november 22nd, 1963, jack ruby kills oswald or shoots oswald on the 24th and this trial is held early in 1964. the speed, the pace of the judicial system then on this one trial

afterward lee harvey oswald is arrested. president is murdered in the middle of the cold war lee harvey oswald is arrested. we got the guy and then jack ruby jumps out of a crowd in front of a row of cameras and police officers. a minor league gangster in dallas jumps out and shoots the person who shot the president in front of national tv. in the context of the cold war in the context of knowing that there is a national security state in the context of this the moving or just about really to be moving cultural anxieties of the 1960s. so, what do they do? they put earl warren the former governor of california and the chief justice at the supreme court in charge of the warren commission to investigate the kennedy assassination. this is a bid to say you need to trust us because if there's one person you can trust it is the chief justice of the supreme court the person who in the country, is that the top of our judicial branch he is going to be in charge of this commission and says he acted alone. one man. the warren commission

it wasn't just a question, if he had lived, if indicting and convicting lee harvey oswald. we needed to have the kennedy assassination committee, the warren commission report, to tell us what actually happened, how did he get the weapons, who else [ inaudible ]. might have been involved. commissions give us the full picture. for the present and history. >> for years, you were right, you were early on it, in in terms of the democratic perspective on it, which is re districting or gerrymandering. joe manchin is not against the for the people act because of the gerrymandering. it's because of the other things that are in it, the campaign finance, the presidential tax returns, the d.c. statehood stuff. why not take that stuff out and treat gerrymandering, as serious as it is, have it be a standalone bill, hold his feet to the fire, he'll have to support it and make it a clean sale? >> we try to work on senator manchin between now and the time the vote occurs. we need to focus on him and try to get him to the appropriate place. we also have to focus on republicans who are doing

they tricked him into retweeting a picture of lee harvey oswald by writing, "@mattgaetz congressman, my grandpa's a big fan of yours and is a veteran. he would be thrilled if you could retweet this photo of him for memorial day. here he is as a young private first class." and then once matt gaetz did retweet it, the grandson changed the name on his account is "matt gaetz is a pedo," which was up there on matt gaetz' account, so he took it down. he got mattfished! [ laughter and applause ] and our vice president, kamala harris, took some unfriendly fire from those who do not enjoy her work. conservatives, they really cranked the fake outrage knob up to 11 after this tweet. she wrote, "enjoy the long weekend." ing if, the magaverse was fufr yus about this. former ambassador, nikki haley, called the vice president "unprofessional and unfit" for this tweet. this is the same nikki haley who said nothing when trump said he prefers war heroes who don't get captured. that was okay. no comment there. but tweeting "enjoy the long weekend." makes you "unfit." when the truth is, you know who's u

the defense said to the prosecution, will you stipulate that lee harvey oswald acted alone and prsosecutorsed, objection to relevance and the question goes unanswered. people don't address the questions because they didn't address the issues earlier, the conspiracy theories in my view flourished and that is why it is important to continue talking about these topics. because as we saw in the jack ruby trial, there were so many hints and suggestions. and look, they didn't know everything at the time. and so people were still asking very legitimate questions about what happened, who else might have been involved, et cetera. but i think that one of the problems was that in the '60s, people didn't take on in particular conspiracy theory about ruby head on because as we lay out in the book, based on the facts, it would have been almost impossible for ruby to have been part of a conspiracy. >> and that is the best thing we could do then and now. just lay out all of the facts and let people see for themselves where conspiracy theories don't add up. let people see it for themselves and i think that

afterwards, lee harvey oswald is arrested. the president is murdered in the middle of the cold war. we got the guy and then jack ruby jumps out of a crowd in front of a row of cameras and police officers, a minor league gangster in dallas, jumps out and shoots the person who shot the president in front of national tv. in the context of the cold war, in the context of knowing there's a national security state, in the context of the moving or just about really to be moving, cultural anxieties of the 1960s. what do they do? they put earl warren, former governor of california and chief justice of the supreme court, the warren committee. this is a bid to say, you need to trust us. if there's one person you can trust, it is the chief justice of the supreme court. the person who in the country is at the top of our judicial branch, he is going to be in charge of this commission and says, he acted alone, one man. the warren commission was not believed when it was issued. in november of 1963, 29% believe one man did it. 52% thought others involved and others had no opinion. as we move into th