but also with us today are iain lee and katherine boyle, presenters of the late night alternative. r listeners who are not familiar, how would you describe the programme? it is a surreal, psychedelic phone—in show, where instead of stirring hate and pointing out others that look and sound different and saying, hate them, we celebrate love, life and art. and to be difficult, you are not actually on late at night any more, you are on in the morning. |yes, we decided we could mix it up| because we are now our own bosses and we can call these shots ourselves, can't we? - yes, you started out on talk radio, and then you took it to twitch, the video streaming platform, and we are going to hear later on in the show how you have now gone direct to consumer, you are selling it to fans, basically, right? yes, on patreon, so they pay us directly and we give them different things for different tiers of money. and alsojoining us on today's programme is the european tech correspondent for the financial times and yih—choung teh, strategy and research director at ofcom, because we are going to star