zeke emanuel. his book is called "which country has the world's best health care?"e to be with you, chris. >> so okay. i'll even give you that in reading the decision of the majority it seemed to be like, okay. enough with this. that these challenges are not compelling. now two justices, conservatives disagreed with that notion, but 7-2 is a heavy decision. all they have to do is get in power and get the right numbers and they can still hack this thing up and maybe even repeal and replace. so why so confident that it's safe? >> because i don't think they're going to get enough and i don't think they're going to get into power. that is the first thing. the second thing is that in every state where expansion of medicaid, a core part of the affordable care act has been on the ballot, we're talking about red states, states like nebraska, idaho, utah, missouri, the public has voted to expand medicaid. even hard core republican states. they want medicaid expansion. people -- we've transformed. we believe that health care is a right. that it's no longer an entitlement. and

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zeke emanuel former white house health policy advisor and the chief architect of the affordable care act. and civil rights attorney david henderson. pete, we will start with obama care. let's hit on a key piece of this majority opinion. here is a quick expert exempt from justice breyer who wrote we begin with the two individual plaintiffs, the problem lies in the fact that the statutory provision, while it tells them to obtain coverage, has no means of enforcement. with the penalty, that is the mandate penalty zero out, the irs can no longer seek a penalty for not one who fails to comply. so pete, talk us through this decision. of course the landmark case we have been waiting for. >> is a big decision for obamacare. i am not sure i would call it a landmark. only because the court took a pass on answering the fundamental question at the center of the case. which is was the individual mandate as it now stands unconstitutional. what the court says is come interesting question but you are the wrong people to raise it. you have no stake in this fight. these 18 red states that challenged o