amy: that is carol anderson, professor at emory university. new book is "the second: race and guns in a fatally unequal america." we will be back with her after a short break. ■■ [music break] amy: this is democracy now! democracy now.org. i am amy goodman. we return to our conversation with carol anderson, professor at emory university, author of the new book "the second: race and guns in a fatally unequal america." i recently interviewed her with nermeen sheikh. nermeen: professor anderson, another issue that you raise in the book as absolutely critical has to do with the denial of the rights of citizenship to blacks. so if you could explain thcrucial supreme court decision here, dred scott v. sandford in 1857, and how evenfter the 14th amendment was passed, dred scott continued to take precedence? >> yes. and so the dred scott decision was designed to try to stop the explosion that was happening, the secessionist crisis that was happening in the united states, becae there d been a sees of evts -- the missouri compromise, the war for texas,

anderson and that european broadcast center in london. this is quite an admission, isn't it? and it certainly is, daphne carol, on the see a was really an extraordinary fearless, investigative journalist who shook the state to its foundations with her revelations of corruption and business and power politics in the banks and in the law. and order area as well. she was funded by that car bomb in 2017 murdered, to keep her quiet, and now off for tireless campaign by her family live public inquiry has finally delivered its findings. it says the state has to bear responsibility because it created an atmosphere of impunity. it also said that there was a total breakdown of law and order. now, one of her brothers had this to say about what happened the state months, the responsibility for my mother's mother. i'm not, she should still be alive and i you know, those were you bringing in my son? she should be alive. i'm. it's a, it's a really less failings that led to her to her murder. let's see. revelations were links between business and government and allowing shady criminal figures into the country, giving them re

anderson starts now. >>> good evening. when we left you last night, we just brought two excerpts from carol leonnig's new book might trying to launchar inspire a crew. it took 44 presidents of all strifes, good and bad, until this president today became the first former president ever to deny such a thing, to deny planning to launch a coup. even as he issued that unprecedented denial, even as book after book with page off page with chilling revelations come out, top republicans today showing they still cannot quit him. house minority leader kevin mccarthy called on him at his new jersey golf club, this kevin mccarthy. >> he should have immediately denounced the mob when he saw what was unfolding. >> that was a week after the insurrection. days later, of course, he walked it back and flying down to mar-a-lago to show his loyalty not to the truth, but instead to the man who incited a mob that sent him fleeing for his leitch and begging that same man that day to call off the rioters. quoting from a newly released excerpt from the books, quote, kevin mccarthy, who had been trying to reach trump at the white house, finally suc

anderson starts now. >>> good evening. when we left you last night, we just brought two excerpts from carol leonnig's new book might tryinggood and bad, until this president today became the first former president ever to deny such a thing, to deny planning to launch a coup. even as he issued that unprecedented denial, even as book after book with page of