s. in the united states into all of you around the world. welcome. we begin today with abrasions of freedom on both sides of the atlantic. one more muted than the other in the u. s. american celebrated their july 4th independence day of sunday in ways that were banned and considered life threatening. just one year ago, even president biden said that the country was celebrating its growing freedom from the corona virus, but that is only part of the story. the delta variance of the buyers is spreading across the us and it is spreading almost exclusively among the non vaccinated. that translates into millions of vulnerable people. about 69 percent of americans have had at least one vaccine shot so far heard immunity. it remains a hope now the reality. the number of new delta cases delta varied cases in the u. k, was even worse than in the us. 24000 new cases were reported on sunday. that's the highest daily number since early february hospitalizations in depth have not increased. and that is important here, but that could easily change. and yet today, prime minister boys, johnson said, come july 19th, there will be no more pandemic restrictions. his message, we will simply have to learn to live with this buyers. don't forget that we always did say there would be a, a 3rd wave and the, and the projections where we line the roadmap, where sadly more limitations and sadly more, more debt. so i think the question that people have to ask themselves, as i said earlier on, is if we don't go ahead now when we, we've clearly done so much with the vaccination program to, to break the link between infection and, and, and death if we didn't go ahead now when the summer fall break is coming up the the school holidays or the advantages that that should give us in, in fighting the arson. the question is, when would we go ahead? was born johnson speaking earlier today? i'm doing now by mohammed veneer. he's biologist at lancaster university in the u. k. it's good to have you back on the program. let me start with some numbers here, mr. mooney, or do you know what percentage of people being infected with the delta variant in the u. k. are not vaccinated, is it 99 percent? as is the case in the us? yeah, i mean thanks for having me. back on the show was the majority of the case of in the u. k. if you look on to the sequence they belong, but i mean more than 95 percent of those positive cases in the you know, on an average more than $24000.00 level reading it. but at the moment, we don't really have to figure that and bring the one down that the new cases are either in the vaccinated or non vaccinated people. because that is really not the status of according to our own internal estimate, we're going to find a community, the boss you are, the cases that are running into or in either people are back to me with a single dose or not vaccinated at all. we know the numbers, i mean, we can ignore the numbers 24000 new cases on sunday. the 27000 on this monday. i mean, do you see the euro 2020 football crowds reflected in these numbers? yes, absolutely. that you know, over the one and a half year into this and damage time, we have witness that congregation and gathering either in the indoor particularly, but in close vicinity, or really the feeling that can lead to emergent focus infections. and particularly when we talk about the variance such as delta very and there's a lot more cognitive going around 66 percent more than alpha variance average was predominant in the u. k. before the before that got somebody that, that was 50 percent more transmissible than the one we're yet. so all in all these tale transmissible wires, buyers with low quantity of the teacher that is required to, in fact that people and in congregated places are really the very worrying moment for moving forward. and would certainly do more cases as we move along with the course. you know, we're seeing more cases, the number of cases rides, and yet hospitalizations and cobra. 1900 deaths in the u. k. are not rising. how do you explain their yes, absolutely. that is, when we say that the vaccine play is playing the role, we have seen a massive decrease in hospitalization, but also on the death. and that is really the indication that the vaccines are working. but that is with the caveat didn't there is that person has to be double vaccinated this mean, all those people who have gone 1st need to go to 2nd so that the protection of light h mode, that would be great. but that also mean that the width is always there because even in the country like you get up over population, including children are not vaccinated, which means any gathering or any opening up at the, at the time when we have a very good at all of our certainly be the best part of you is really do you think that the u. k. would have this problem with the delta variant? if it had rolled out 1st in our, in a vaccines instead of the astrazeneca vaccine, would that have made a difference? well, we know that most of the vaccines that we are defined currently on effective against many readings, including delta variance. so i think at this moment, the important thing is that we maximize the company population at the level where we can achieve the heard community, or at least the community that did a lot to break the transmission chain within the community. because the initial delta running it only for a few occasions, back in february, march, and from then all the communities that has gone high. and if we have a really good that info to good, go go the weekend 30. great. with one down. the only put the dental reading it in the future reading because there will always be a certain level of protection sufficient enough to reduce hospitalized ation. and when the prime minister says we will have to learn to live with this virus. what is he saying is the corona virus going to become endemic like the flu virus? well, that is a very dangerous and some time because i don't really think that we will be able to live with this. why this? because this is not of know what is and if we live with this virus, it will kill off and the only way we can live with this, what it is harmony, not conflict. and the hominy is that we keep all what we can control the infection while taking the break off. but the government credit seems to be changing. it's a take the break off and see what happens, which isn't really what most of the infections. ok when the or is always mr. new, we appreciate your time and your insights tonight. thank you. thanks for calling the for the past few weeks, european football has been at the center of protests of laws designed to curtail the rights of l. g. b t q people. and those protests seemed like a luxury when compared with what is happening in the former soviet republic of georgia at the moment. the o g b t q community there had planned to hold a pride march, but the march was cancelled after protests against it turned violent. protestors clashed with police and activists locations across the capital city to blazing, including parliament and the united nations. representative of a group of demonstrators also attacked the offices of the l. g. b t q group which tried to organize the march. it's opposed by leading figures in the georgian orthodox church. the prime minister of georgia also criticize the plan quite event is being an acceptable to march sections of georgia to sign or join. now, by ross moves andres, and he is a member of the european parliament for the german green party. he's also been vocal in his support for the pride march in tbilisi. it's good to have you on the program with me tonight. i'd like to draw our viewers attention to what you posted earlier today on twitter. your tweet today said this, this is simply not acceptable fund ally and joseph burrell should call the georgia authorities to protect the tbilisi pride to protest for equality and human rights is a fundamental right if georgia wants to be a european partner, they should act hash tag tbilisi pride, $21.00. are you expecting the european union to do something here? well, 1st of all, let me say, thanks for having me and it's good that you're taking this up in your program. we what we could see today and simply see at the price is quite hurtful and painful, not just for me, but for the old l g t i community across the whole world. and from my perspective, this is not just junction issue. it's about fund a mentor, right, and about protecting them. and this is why i think the european union need to address those. what do you think the european union is going to do something? well, we could see a lot of embassy just there from european states, but also from the u. s. calling the jobs authorities to act. and i think the next logical step would be to have a political involvement to have the national government, but also to have for european commission on it. and having some serious talk with the judge and authorities and to govern the european commission you say, last month you signed it open letter calling on georgian authorities to protect tbilisi pride protesters and to ensure their universal right to freedom of expression in peaceful assembly. i noticed that those who signed with you from the european parliament, they are either greens or social democrats. i didn't see any one from the conservative block in parliament. and isn't that where europe and commission president ursula from july and feels most home that i mean, it makes me wonder how much support there is in brussels in strossberg really for what you'd like to see. well there is a lot of plot for l g b t i writes, especially in the european parliament. i know a lot colleagues coming fr